Hey girls,

I made a new thread because my previous one was seven pages deep. I figured starting a new one would help girls who are going to Dr. Haben soon or considering going to him. It seems Dr. Haben has picked up a *lot* of popularity on Susan's lately, and I wish nothing but the best for all his future patients.

Anyway, on to the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPudf5G0mnA&feature=youtu.be

I am 4.5 weeks post-op. Obviously still *VERY* hoarse (as can be heard in the video), but I am very happy that my hoarse post-op voice already sounds a lot more natural than my trained pre-op voice, in my opinion. I am eliminating/controlling chest resonance for my post-op voice obviously. Remember VFS cannot fix resonance.

It has proven a lot easier to attain a feminine voice now. I don't really have to try as hard to increase my pitch. I am not altering my pitch in the video. If I want to increase my pitch further I can manually bring it past the 240hz voice in the video, to about 260hz+. Evidently my post-op voice is equivalent to my pre-op trained voice, except now I don't put in half the effort to produce voice anymore.

I cannot wait for the hoarseness to die!

That sounds great already. Also you ended up really high pitched, but that is of course to be expected, given that you already started off in the gender neutral pitch range. For reference, you should probably give what procedures you had with Dr Haben...

Quote from: anjaq on November 18, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
That sounds great already. Also you ended up really high pitched, but that is of course to be expected, given that you already started off in the gender neutral pitch range. For reference, you should probably give what procedures you had with Dr Haben...

Great idea Anjaq! I only had the glottoplasty procedure with Dr Haben. It's a good thing I didn't go with the CTA like I originally wanted to or I would have probably come out sounding unnaturally high pitched.

Sounds very good and feminine!! And even higher than some cis-gender girls.

What a great result Roni!  I'm so happy for you.  Your voice was already in the gender-ambiguous territory and turned out unquestionably feminine! 

Your before voice sounds a lot like mine did, so hopefully I will have similar results once the swelling goes down.  Fingers crossed!  I still can't believe it's been a month and I can't talk at all lol!  I know, patience, patience lol!

You sound pretty good, Roni!  Now you don't have to be jealous of my result, because you have your own.

Quote from: iKate on November 18, 2015, 02:56:07 PM
You sound pretty good, Roni!  Now you don't have to be jealous of my result, because you have your own.

Thanks everybody!! I will say my natural speaking voice doesn't sound that high until after I've been talking for a while. I assume my vocal chords are stretched when speaking and after an hour or so I am able to converse in a high pitch without much effort.

Dr. Haben did not provide me with any vocal exercises at all. I am aware Yeson gives girls a list of exercises to do post-op in order to make the best out of their voice. Does anybody happen to have a copy of said list, or a link to the list? Would be very much appreciated!

Quote from: kwala on November 18, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
What a great result Roni!  I'm so happy for you.  Your voice was already in the gender-ambiguous territory and turned out unquestionably feminine! 

Your before voice sounds a lot like mine did, so hopefully I will have similar results once the swelling goes down.  Fingers crossed!  I still can't believe it's been a month and I can't talk at all lol!  I know, patience, patience lol!

I am sure our results will be similar. You had a good and feminine trained voice already, and I think I heard your natural speaking voice somewhere too (unless I'm imagining it) and remember thinking to myself that you sounded a lot like me lol! Hopefully this translates as similar results for you.

Also yes, patience! In reality I still sound really hoarse. I had to stretch my vocal chords for a bit to produce the post-op sound in my video.

You sound great hun! Congratulations on your.new female voice!

Any reason why you opted for glottoplasty in particular? I know Dr Haben insists on vta too, which he says is strongly recommended.

Quote from: Ritana on November 19, 2015, 02:35:42 AM
You sound great hun! Congratulations on your.new female voice!

Any reason why you opted for glottoplasty in particular? I know Dr Haben insists on vta too, which he says is strongly recommended.

Dr Haben said I didn't need a CTA because my pre-op voice was in the 160-180hz range already. I think he only recommends CTAs to those in the lower speaking range.

Thanks Roni,

Mine is 170 even after trachea shave pitch loss ;however, I cannot go much higher noe after surgery.  Considering Dr Kim as I don't wanna have a scar in the neck (which is a give away these days for being trans).

Quote from: Ritana on November 19, 2015, 05:37:05 AM
Thanks Roni,

Mine is 170 even after trachea shave pitch loss ;however, I cannot go much higher noe after surgery.  Considering Dr Kim as I don't wanna have a scar in the neck (which is a give away these days for being trans).

I am not sure in what way the surgery can improve the upper range. It makes it easier to use higher speaking pitch, but at least for me it made it harder to use my very upper vocal range. I lost a few notes and the ones close to that are harder to use. But in the range of speaking pitch, it is easier to use female pitch. Using male pitch still is possible for me (for many others it is not), but if I go too low or use it too much it makes me hoarse and breathy.

Definitely not getting a scar at the neck is preferrable. I have seen magazine articles describing "how to tell if the woman you are dating was once a man" (puke - I hate such things, but they do exist) and they regularly point to the size of hands, pitch of the voice, adams apple and scar on the neck (from trach shave or voice surgery) as "markers". So sadly I think this is becoming widespread knowledge and if one can avoid this - at least trach shave is nowadays possible to do with a scar at the upper neck near the jaw, which is less suspicious, but most doctors will still just put the scar right at the larynx...

 I have seen magazine articles describing "how to tell if the woman you are dating was once a man" (puke - I hate such things, but they do exist) and they regularly point to the size of hands, pitch of the voice, adams apple and scar on the neck (from trach shave or voice surgery) as "markers". So sadly I think this is becoming widespread knowledge

Omg, Anjaq, that is disgusting! I hate  it when the press/ websites publish such things.

As for the scar, I would say the whole point of having vfs is to achieve passability. If vfs creates another (bigger) passability issue then I don't see the point, quite frankly.

My elevated voice is already passable on the phone (I have been working in a call centre for the last 6 years, and i only got a couple of comments from two women as to whether I was a man or a woman, bear in mind I take thousands of calls a year).

Quote from: Ritana on November 19, 2015, 05:37:05 AM
Thanks Roni,

Mine is 170 even after trachea shave pitch loss ;however, I cannot go much higher noe after surgery.  Considering Dr Kim as I don't wanna have a scar in the neck (which is a give away these days for being trans).

If you do the glottoplasty with Haben he does it endoscopically so no scar either.

That is true ikate, but i think yeson do something slightly different to glottoplasty achieving better results.

Anjaq, I hate it when the press/ some websites publish those kind of articles "how to spot a woman who used to be a man". 

Liking your results thus far. your sounding good

Quote from: Ritana on November 19, 2015, 09:52:01 AM
That is true ikate, but i think yeson do something slightly different to glottoplasty achieving better results.

Anjaq, I hate it when the press/ some websites publish those kind of articles "how to spot a woman who used to be a man".

Dr Kim definitely does something different. He uses a micro scalpel that he invented and he uses permanent sutures. With that said I think Dr Haben and prof Remacle's results are comparable. At least to my ears.

Roni, I am a huge fan of yours! Do you have a Facebook or Instagram account? Thanks!

Welcome to Susan's Place Roni_Fan. I am glad you could join us and I thing you will find there is a good deal of other useful information on the site. We are getting a pretty good collection of post surgical voices so feel free to brows the site.

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Roni, the voice sounds pretty good but I think you will find the pitch will go up a bit more as it continues to heal. It's not a huge improvement but it will make your initial/relaxed voice move to a more comfortable range. As for healing time. i still haven't got my three months results back but Dr Haben responded to the message attached to the samples reminding me that there is a 6 to 12 month for the voice to stabilize. If my pitch continues to rise I might get around the 220 Hz range would would be great for me.