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Gay/Bi/Pan FTM

Started by Magpie-Mind, March 09, 2015, 08:11:07 PM

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Natkat

I don't really date I just meet or ->-bleeped-<- ::)

when thats said I have mixed experience with cismen. some are transphobic the same way women can be transphobic and sure some arn't. There are those which really would not go with someone trans and then there where those who thought it was rather hot and I guess abit "exotic" in a way. I haven't really been with any gay guys as far as I remember, I know a transman which dated a gay man at a time and so on but those men I been with have been queer or bisexual which I prefer.

I still feel there is bi and transphobia specially in the mainstream gay comunity which claim to be GLBT+ but only are GL orientated, I dont expect much from those places. If im too get serious with someone for real I tell them that im trans when they have meet me and a good time before I expect anything to happen.



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synesthetic

I'm bi, but I don't really have much experience dating (forever alone). I know there definitely are some awesome gay cis dudes who are accepting of trans guys' identities, but there's some absolute douchebags (as there always is). just don't give up hope, man - that's all I can say. if you want love, it'll find you eventually. ((hugs))
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jasperbeauclair

im pansexual...mostly liking men though, most women around me are very christian and very annoying and anti lgbt
but men here dont mind much
im dating a cisman now, 6 months so far, hes more neutral or agender or whatever, he doesnt care either way, i call him a he and he has his male organs and are fine with them how they are and wouldnt change them
he supports me as a transman, we have vaginal sex, and he loves my breasts because they wont stop growing -.- (im at a DDD now)
hes fine whether i have surgery or not
he was also a virgin before me (well, he was raped by a woman, but rape doesnt count right? thats not sex experience)
bro..im really shy...
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Amadeus

Definitely pan here.  I think there are a handful of cis gay men who find the idea of dating a transman intriguing.  I've seen stuff on Facebook from some of my transmen mates who have been dating gay blokes in the area, or they've been on Grindr and hooked up with guys.
 
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sukie2805

I'm a Transman would like to join this group


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Kalex

It was nice read all the post.

In my particular case, being pre-everything, Im sure I will die alone hugging a plastic plant.
Just because you spend a lot of time with someone doesnt mean you know their darkest secrets
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The_Gentleboy

I'm so far removed from dating im not even totally secure in my sexuality. Growing up and doing the female thing it never occured to me to actually like girls, so i never did. Now I'm on the other side I'm a little wary of dating guys. I kinda look at some people and go, hummn yeah i wouldnt say no to cosying up to that, but most of the time i reject everyone, similarly to Kalex i'm gonna end up with a plastic plant as well, LOL.

I would say though that certain gays cant be with a transguy, im talking the goldstar gays who are like eww vajayjay (even when its been gone for over 10 yrs ) they just cant deal with it. Honestly your best bet is with bi/pan and asexual guys unless you're prepared to walk that minefield!
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makipu

Quote from: The_Gentleboy on April 20, 2015, 12:35:32 PM
asexual guys unless you're prepared to walk that minefield!
Even for the asexual guys, would the transman have to disclose their trans status?...
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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The_Gentleboy

Yeah you should always tell your significant other but the bi's and pans in theory shouldnt care because they state they like both/any. The asexuals shouldnt care so much because the sex organs arent a thing for them, they usually remain celibate therefore your parts in theory wouldnt mean much to them at all. The minefield is with the gay gys because some will be okay with it many tend not to be.
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sam1234

M->-bleeped-<-ie,
It very possible that you are attracted to both males and females. Finding someone to date is difficult.

One reason people are telling you to date transwomen is that they have experience a lot of the same Hell you have. Before you start dating, get a psychologist or psychiatrist to help you deal with these feelings. Its very difficult to be honest with yourself is you try and access painful memories, rejection etc., but it can be done.

If getting back into the dating issue again, you might want to mention your situation in the beginning stages. Before you fall in love. Its easier on your ego and ability to let her know you as a man first, then take her someplace private and explain your situation. If she accept is, great! If she looks at you like you are green with red polka dots, the its over before you have really invested you heart to her.

sam1234
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ponyboy6

I'm about a Kinsey 5. I rarely attempt to date, but my experience has been that most cis men will not consider dating a transman. (Although just like MTF's, we do have our fetishists, if that's what you want). All of the gay transmen I've ever met have been with other transmen. Personally though, that's what I want. I would prefer being with my own kind.
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Jessiy

Alrighty, ive read almost all of the replys on here

and almost everyone is saying most/all cis gender males would not date a trans

i shall reassure you that they do, i have known my boyfriend, for over 8 years, we have been dating for over 9 months and i am a FtM Trans man and proud of it, i have had no surgery, i am not on T and i am very loved by my Cis gendered gay boyfriend, just like he has said to me many times, when i keep putting myself down or saying im afraid he will leave cause i may not be 'man enough' as i was always told before

''Love is love, your 'bits' shouldn't matter, everyone starts out the same way before they are born, you are a male, even if your body was made differently. and i love you no matter how you look, you will always be my man''

he is one of those gay guys, who has always hated the idea of being with a female, was grossed out by their 'bits' and is strictly gay.

so, if that does not prove, that Cis or even Straight men, would not date a Transgender person, i dont know what does.

He never see's me as anything but a man, and is always reminding me how much he loves my body.




I hope this helps, i know this post has not been replied to in a while. but i thought commenting will help you, and maybe others who come across it.

Feel free to message me for any questions, i am a very open person who is always happy to help
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FtMitch

EDIT: AND I just realized this is a dead thread that was randomly brought to life, LOL.  Oh well...

I do wonder if trans men's different experiences with dating cis gay men has to do with the places where they are meeting these gay cis men.  I had a similarly bad experience with a gay cis man in college that actually sent me back into the closet, but we were both very young then.  Now, as an almost 30 year old adult who attends a LGBT church and has been a part of the BDSM and leather community for ten years, I spend time with a different kind of gay man than the sort I was hanging out with in gay bars back in college.  I look back now and realize that the young man I had a bad experience with was new to being out as gay and probably felt that he had a lot to prove to the world.  The older gay people I spend time with now, as well as the people in the leather community (who have their own oddities that must be accepted by their partners), are generally much more open to the idea of dating trans men than those too-cool-for-school college freshmen who probably had never even kissed a boy before, much less have any clue what it really MEANT to be transgender. 

I don't have any actual dating experience as a gay man yet since I am too dysphoric about my body at this point to enjoy bedroom play, but I honestly feel, based on the sample of gay cis men I know, that I will get plenty of dates if I ask out enough people.  Sure, maybe a lot of guys will turn me down.  But I am a strong believer in the idea that if you are confident enough to make the first move, you WILL get results.  This philosophy probably comes from having had the role of Dom in the BDSM community--you are usually expected to be the one to ask a sub if they want to "play."  Often you are turned down simply because you are not the kind of Dom they are looking for (you may not be their physical ideal, you may not have the same kinks, they may just not like the way you smell or the toys you own... It just happens.).  So you go ask somebody else and somebody else until you find someone who wants to play with you.  No one feels hurt being turned down in these scenarios, because it is well established that people want different things and that just because you're not this person's fantasy doesn't mean that there aren't twenty other people out there to whom you are the ultimate fantasy.  It's a community where the concept of "everyone is beautiful in their own way" truly applies, and people compliment the GOOD things in one another without trying to claim that everyone must be attracted to everyone because it's the PC thing to do.  Instead we acknowledge that just because I don't find someone attractive doesn't mean they AREN'T attractive--it just means they aren't attractive to me, personally.  But we still acknowledge them as a beautiful person who is super attractive to others. This way of thinking eventually leaked over into my real life, and I discovered that I was able to get cis men to date me by acting in the same way, minus the talk of "play"--I just had to keep asking different guys that I liked out, and eventually one of those guys would also like me.

Try, try, and try again--it is the key to success in the world of dating for ANYONE.  Also, do your best not to take one or two or even three guys not wanting to date you because you are trans as representative of all men's feelings.  Because it simply is NOT.  There ARE guys out there who will date you!  I have been a part of communities filled with people who love all different kinds of people.  Yeah, some gay guys are focused 100% on the size o' the boy parts.  But there are plenty of them who are really into muscles or twinks or guys who wear makeup or guys who wear leather or blondes or short guys or bikers or dancers.  These types won't care so much about your nether regions as they do about whether you are ripped/scrawny/lipsticked/in chaps/blonde/tiny/on a Harley/twerking.  And they actually make up a HUGE percentage of the population, even if they may not announce their particular interests every single time they meet a person.  Trust me, I've been to clubs and a part of groups that are absolutely FILLED with them!  You just have to open yourself up enough to FIND them, and that means taking the risk of asking people out.  I understand that there is a fear there, but that is why it is best to ask people out in safe spaces, like in a place surrounded by friends you KNOW would come to your defense if someone tried to hurt you.  For example, I could ask anyone I wanted out at my church, because there are always a dozen people around who would come to my rescue if someone tried to hurt me.  I could also ask anyone out at the local leather bar, because twenty leather clad daddies with bodies like Schwarzenegger would be happy to pick up anyone who tried to hurt me and physically throw them out on their butt for disrespecting someone in their space.  As for the psychological pain... Just remind yourself: ALL PEOPLE GET REJECTED.  Mostly for stuff WAY less shocking than being trans. You know, like being five pounds overweight or an inch too short or wearing an ugly pair of glasses.  Luckily for everyone, there is someone out there who likes their guys just fine a little chubby or a little short or with nerdy glasses or even trans.

Okay, final point (since I realize I have been rambling, but it's mostly because the issue of being gay and trans used to REALLY worry me, and I have spent a LOT of time thinking about it lately): Don't forget that there is no guarantee that your status as trans is REALLY the reason a guy doesn't want to date you.  It makes an easy excuse, but he may just not be attracted to you, and what a nice, easy way to not have to say "Sorry, I just don't think you're hot, bro" and come off like a rude, insensitive jerk!  (Yes, they often DO think it is less rude to say they wouldn't date a trans guy than to say they don't find you attractive.)  I know that may seem like the antithesis to making you feel better, but there are ALWAYS going to be people who find you unattractive for some reason (even if you'd been born as Brad Pitt), so who cares?
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