Is the hormone therapy that powerful that if a transwoman is on hormones, if others see her only with her shorts on, that think "woman"

Does the hormones alone do some noticable facial changes

As I mentioned to you in another post, it is hormones not surgery that change skin quality, body odour, etc.

Yes, many, in fact the majority of transwomen are on hormones before surgery and live as a woman while they are on HRT. Many women are on HRT and live as women but do not have the surgery (either for financial, medical or personal reasons). Some women transition (start living openly as women) as soon as they start HRT, others wait months even years before they start living as women. It's a personal choice. A lot of it depends on how comfortable they feel presenting in public and whether they want to pass or believe they pass.

Hormones won't change the size or shape of your brow, nose or chin. Hormones will slow beard growth but it will not get rid of beard hair, that needs to be done through laser or electrolysis.

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 29, 2015, 06:46:31 PM
As I mentioned to you in another post, it is hormones not surgery that change skin quality, body odour, etc.

Yes, many, in fact the majority of transwomen are on hormones before surgery and live as a woman while they are on HRT. Many women are on HRT and live as women but do not have the surgery (either for financial, medical or personal reasons). Some women transition (start living openly as women) as soon as they start HRT, others wait months even years before they start living as women. It's a personal choice. A lot of it depends on how comfortable they feel presenting in public and whether they want to pass or believe they pass.

Hormones won't change the size or shape of your brow, nose or chin. Hormones will slow beard growth but it will not get rid of beard hair, that needs to be done through laser or electrolysis.

What you very very very much.

About how fast does boobs come ?

About how fast the body shape happens ?

Absolutely, and this is something people have been incidentally saying without spelling it out, I think.

When I say I finished my transition 11 months later, I mean I was still "pre-op" (I had had NO surgeries) at the time. I lived as a woman full-time, and felt comfortable seeing *myself* as a woman, for 2 years before I had bottom surgery - the delay was b/c I had to save up the money for that. By the time I had been on hormones alone for six months, I could not convince people to accept my male ID as me even if I was dressed as a man with my hair pulled back. I had sufficient facial and body changes that I couldn't pass as a guy, basically. If I was wearing only shorts after about 3 months on estrogen, well, I would've gotten arrested. I had to come out at work earlier than I expected because I had a C-cup breasts, meaning that I definitely could not have gone topless in public.

I went to the beach when I was about a year on HRT - that is, still roughly 18 months before I had surgery - and nobody batted an eye at me in a bikini, not even in the women's changing room.

I'm not saying this to brag, but to answer your question. Though, with that said, you also should check out https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,168444.0.html to see what HRT can do.

Quote from: Stephanie Sammantha on November 29, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
About how fast does boobs come ?

About how fast the body shape happens ?

It depends on the individual, at a bare minimum you are looking at six months before there is anything noticeable but often up to two years. As to how much change you can expect it isn't dependent on the amount of hormones you take (more doesn't equal faster or bigger) it depends on your DNA. Remember that genetic women usually take three to four years to go through puberty, transwomen are no different but we also have the effects of testosterone to counteract.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on November 29, 2015, 06:53:38 PM
Absolutely, and this is something people have been incidentally saying without spelling it out, I think.

When I say I finished my transition 11 months later, I mean I was still "pre-op" (I had had NO surgeries) at the time. I lived as a woman full-time, and felt comfortable seeing *myself* as a woman, for 2 years before I had bottom surgery - the delay was b/c I had to save up the money for that. By the time I had been on hormones alone for six months, I could not convince people to accept my male ID as me even if I was dressed as a man with my hair pulled back. I had sufficient facial and body changes that I couldn't pass as a guy, basically. If I was wearing only shorts after about 3 months on estrogen, well, I would've gotten arrested. I had to come out at work earlier than I expected because I had a C-cup breasts, meaning that I definitely could not have gone topless in public.

I went to the beach when I was about a year on HRT - that is, still roughly 18 months before I had surgery - and nobody batted an eye at me in a bikini, not even in the women's changing room.

I'm not saying this to brag, but to answer your question. Though, with that said, you also should check out https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,168444.0.html to see what HRT can do.

OH MY GOSH !!! THIS IS AMAZING NEWS !!! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU !

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 29, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
It depends on the individual, at a bare minimum you are looking at six months before there is anything noticeable but often up to two years. As to how much change you can expect it isn't dependent on the amount of hormones you take (more doesn't equal faster or bigger) it depends on your DNA. Remember that genetic women usually take three to four years to go through puberty, transwomen are no different but we also have the effects of testosterone to counteract.

In this "man's body", I'm thin now. In previous experiences being heavier, the "man's body" shaped like a woman. So imagine how "womanly" it could get with the hormones in my veins.

If a transwoman gains alot of weight while on the hormone therapy, does it speed up the bodily changes ?

It's not all roses. In my case, I am 6'2" and I am somewhere between an A cup and a B cup. One is small and the other is large. I have hips but my rear really could use padding. I started hormones about 1978 and that was all that happened. did I ever consider surgery to enhance my figure ? No because I am comfortable being a woman as I am and I don't feel the need to have the body of a super model. I will settle for an athletic woman's body which is what I have.

Quote from: Dena on November 29, 2015, 07:10:38 PM
It's not all roses. In my case, I am 6'2" and I am somewhere between an A cup and a B cup. One is small and the other is large. I have hips but my rear really could use padding. I started hormones about 1978 and that was all that happened. did I ever consider surgery to enhance my figure ? No because I am comfortable being a woman as I am and I don't feel the need to have the body of a super model. I will settle for an athletic woman's body which is what I have.

I'm 6 feet tall. I'm not going for massive boobs. Just I size that needs a bra. My previous history, plus the hormones therapy, suggest I will get a big butt. A supermodel is the last thing I going for. As I said in a different post, I want to be a fat girl.

I went almost 3 years pre-op while on HRT.  The hormones do the feminization, though there will/can be a huge shift after SRS, more of "settling into" experience - both HRT and surgery created significant change.  YMMV.

Rachel

Quote from: Stephanie Sammantha on November 29, 2015, 07:08:51 PM
If a transwoman gains alot of weight while on the hormone therapy, does it speed up the bodily changes ?

Hi Stephanie,

Essentially no.  As mentioned before, it takes anywhere between 3-5 year plus for girls to go through puberty. It may take longer as you need to defeat the what testosterone has done to you.  Transition is a marathon, not a sprint.

Talking your needs and desires through with a gender therapist may help you in your journey.

Speak to you as soon as I count the sheep.

Huggs
Catherine

Quote from: Qrachel on November 30, 2015, 01:59:07 AM
I went almost 3 years pre-op while on HRT.  The hormones do the feminization, though there will/can be a huge shift after SRS, more of "settling into" experience - both HRT and surgery created significant change.  YMMV.

Rachel

Thank You Very Very Very Very Much.

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on November 30, 2015, 03:34:25 AM
Hi Stephanie,

Essentially no.  As mentioned before, it takes anywhere between 3-5 year plus for girls to go through puberty. It may take longer as you need to defeat the what testosterone has done to you.  Transition is a marathon, not a sprint.

Talking your needs and desires through with a gender therapist may help you in your journey.

Speak to you as soon as I count the sheep.

Huggs
Catherine

Thank You Very Very Very Much.

Too bad it takes so long.

Quote from: Stephanie Sammantha on December 02, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
......... Too bad it takes so long.

It's a life long journey. Don't wish it away, you'll miss the best bits.

Speak to you as soon as I decorate the tree.

Huggs
Catherine

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Stephanie:

As Catherine posted, your transition is a marathon.  Your changes will not happen over-night; my transition took 11 years to get to full-time, despite a head start so to speak.

I recently learned the term 'male fail':  You are failing to present as male no matter how much you try.  People are perceiving you as female regardless of your own self-perception.  You 'Passed the 'Passing' Test' and is a good indication you are ready to present as female because you are now a woman.

Enjoy the journey - it is your life.  Take notes so that you can recall your adventures in your future reminiscences.

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I started HRT in March  (round 2) and in May went full time. Really had nothing to do with the hormones.  I was just tired of living the lie.

Regarding your ? on hormones &  facial feminization, as stated in a previous comment, they will have no impact on bone structure or nasal structure.  As has been confirmed by several of my physicians,. facial skin texture will change and small but noticeable fat redistribution will take place (primarily on the cheeks and possibly on the chin).  That being said, facial feminization surgery is not recommended until at least a yr. or more on E.

Hi all
I lived full time as a woman for almost 2 years before I had any surgeries done and the hormones make a big difference They will change your skin to much softer you will notice a big calming affect. and grow boobs and weight shifts in your body. after transition and you have SRS WOW the changes are crazy and i'm still learning this as I'm in the middle of a lot of changes now. Emotional is one of the biggest. My whole thinking process has seamed to change a lot. I'm far more sensitive to the feelings of others and people around me. And this may seam weird but I can smell things that I have never smelled before. Believe it or not I can smell when a man has been present. WOW that is crazy. Dose anyone else that is Post-op notice this? please let me know.

Big Hug's Lyndsey

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 29, 2015, 06:46:31 PM

Yes, many, in fact the majority of transwomen are on hormones before surgery and live as a woman while they are on HRT. Many women are on HRT and live as women but do not have the surgery (either for financial, medical or personal reasons). Some women transition (start living openly as women) as soon as they start HRT, others wait months even years before they start living as women.

And some of us start living as women before being on HRT. I'll probably only be able to begin hormones when I'm approaching the two year mark of having gone full time.

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Quote from: Lyndsey on December 10, 2015, 11:06:11 AM
And this may seam weird but I can smell things that I have never smelled before. Believe it or not I can smell when a man has been present. WOW that is crazy. Dose anyone else that is Post-op notice this? please let me know.

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Yes,  Lyndsey, your senses of smell and taste heightened long ago when you began ERT. It does not require the GCS / SRS, the ERT does it - it changes the way you smell and taste.  You can sense far better than before.  You may like foods and flavours that you did not previously like or now hate what you once enjoyed.  Ready for pickles and ice cream?

Yep, your ability to smell will become quite acute.  Females have a far better sense of smell and taste than males.

Here's my most extreme example of recent.  I was on a visit to someone in county jail (bummer); I have come to befriend the deputies - it's just 'a job'.  That's not the point.  Sheriff deputies at the county jail work behind secure glass.  When I arrived one day, I smelled the aroma of a submarine sandwich or such, so I asked the sole desk guard, 'Who has the sandwich?'  He gave a puzzled look at me; he said that he smelled nothing.  I went to the deputies behind the secure glass and joked, 'I smell a submarine sandwich'.  One of the guards working behind the heavy glass confessed that he finished lunch a little while ago and had a submarine sandwich.

Which takes me to my start of transition.  My questions remain unanswered of my female disco dance partners (1979 - 1980).  Did they not smell that I did not smell as a male?  Did they not sense I tasted different than kissing a male?  Or were they confused about me, presenting as a male, smelling as a female.

Perhaps you who have an active, on-going partner since beginning your transition can answer that question.  Does she tell you that you smell or taste differently now that you are on ERT?

Enjoy!

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I did after a year of HRT, before any surgery.


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