I know that this is a Trans support site, I know that places like this are important for people who are Trans to be able to come together and discuss issues relating to our community.  Having said that, I have to stop and wonder sometimes, with everything that is going on in the world around us, do we ever stop to ask ourselves if the incessant need for society at large to label things is in some way directly related to the stories that are unfolding around us? 

Today my phone has been inundated with alerts from the various news outlets and apps that I follow, from the Huffington Post to Fox News, we are yet again learning that another senseless loss of life has occurred in America as a result of Guns.  Gun deaths in our country, weather one at a time, or multiple fatalities, are becoming not just a daily occurrence, but almost an hourly occurrence.  We sit and watch and shake our heads as innocents, and by standards are killed without any regard.  We say to ourselves that countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, are in horrible shape, that everyday there is another suicide bomber, another car explosion.  Yet do we ever stop and realize that we are no safer here in America?  While I have no statistics to provide, I would hazard to say that you are just as likely to leave your home and be killed by a maniac here in America, as you are in any middle eastern country.

We are no longer a collective group, we are a bunch of small groups fighting each other, Black vs White, Gay vs Straight, Immigrant vs Natural born, etc etc.  We have no common focus anymore, nothing that draws us together.  I wonder if this need to define who we are, is detrimental to our basic need to have universal community.

When we will stop our irrational behavior and say, NO MORE GUNS! NO MORE VIOLENCE! NO MORE HATRED!! there are many difficult issues facing this nation, and the world.  But the more secluded we become, the farther we move away from the dream of peace for all.

We were told as children that all we had to do was dream, work hard, and follow the law, and we would succeed in life.  We are now adults and we know that this was a false promise.  Inequality is everywhere, there are solutions, we must fix this now, before there is nothing left to leave our children but urban war zones.

Kat.

I don't disagree with much of what you write.  However, aren't we collectively just asking to be a part of that universal community on equal terms?  I think that's exactly what we are doing already.  It is the universal community led by the three headed monster of the descendants of Abraham who refuse us equal participation and that same three headed monster that is responsible for most of the misery in the world today.

No, it is not us that need feel guilty nor us who need to grovel for acceptance into their exclusive club.  The days of groveling are finished although the battle continues.

I dream of the day that that three headed monster breathes its last breath and humankind might move together into the future instead of fighting this incessant war for supremacy.


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I don't think that dismantling religion is the answer.

I am not trying to hijack the thread, but my outlook is 180 degrees opposite.

I can not recall one instance of mass homicidal mayhem caused by a gender variant person, at least in US.  A universal community is beyond the ability of humankind I fear.  It is a battle between groups, and I want to win.  I have had two theories. 

One. enclaves.  A group of gender variable people band together, with Americas one true God-the almighty dollar.  Gays have been doing this forever.  Establish a beachhead (usually a depressed area with nice architecture) then work together in a mutual support system.  Power is always taken, never given.  Power comes from numbers remember the story of the fasces?  Each rod is weak, but bind them together and they are strong.   Likewise, a relatively small number of religious zealots can sway a relatively much larger community by their very cohesiveness.  We don't do the same.

Second, break  up the US into a number of smaller countries in a loose federation.  I am from Massachusetts originally, baptized and raised in the UCC church, which is now 95% open and affirming.  Most congregations accept full membership for LGBT and were at the forefront of Gay marriage.  Having lived here in the south (Tampa) for longer than I care to admit,  I know that New England mores will never mesh with those of Alabama where my wife's relatives live.  Fine.  You are right people need something to bring them together.  If we establish well educated, liberal theology land, it could compete against God said it, I believe it, that settles it land.  Let the competition of ideas happen. 

The second will never happen without some precipitating disaster.  The first could be done with just vision and determination, a much easier hurdle.  Of course maybe I'm just crazy.

My post has only cursory relation to trans issues, your post is just what you said, a hijacking,

To the OP: I don't think we've ever been a collective unless your white and male. The history we were taught was whitewashed and they left out a lot of the horrible things we've done to Mexicans, the indigenous population and black people. So if you mean America was founded of a collective of extremely racist, sexist, men who viewed women and black people as property, and other cultures as less than human than I agree. Did you know raping a black woman wasn't a crime until after the civil rights movement?

Moving a post to another area is something that happens from the moderators of this forum who volunteer their time to maintain it. If you have a complaint you can communicate discreetly with them about it as long as it remains civil. I wish you the best of luck if you decide Susan's place isn't for you, but I'd like to remind you that we try to create a positive environment for people who need help and guidance or those who enjoy communicating with their brothers and sisters from other mothers and misters.


     Hugs,
- Katie
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Locked for review, ToS 2 and language.

 
Okay folks. Actions by staff are not to be question in the public part of the forum. If you have an issue with actions we take and you feel that it needs dealing with please either contact a moderator, or contact an admin. The topic was posted in the wrong area of the forums and was correctly moved her. The location of this topic is not up for debate. I'm now looking closer at this thread. Cleaning it up and determining if it will be reopened or not. Thread remains locked.

Thread is being moved again to general discussions from transgender talk.

Considering it seems a civil and open discussion of this topic isn't possible and many topics like it have landed in the same spot. I don't see this discussion improving or going anywhere good. After 2 reports this thread will remain closed.