Quote from: Rachael on December 19, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
does being effeminate and butch stop people being cisgender?

No, but by the standards of the day George Sand was way beyond butch. It's of course impossible to tell just what eir gender identity was (unless some spectacular new diaries or correspondence pops up), but it certainly seems possible e may have been some TG variant, be that CD or TS.

  Nfr

Quote from: Tink on December 19, 2007, 07:52:52 PM
More famous transsexual people here:

http://www.karenserenity.com/OldSerenity/main.htm

tink

Thanks for the link. I met a guy who worked with Christine Jorgensen on Broadway. (I am an aspiring actor) He said she was a real sweetheart.

?Christine Beatty is "famous?"

The Roman Emperor Elagabalus (who reigned from 218 to 222 AD) was transgender and offered large amounts of money and also possibly half ofthe Roman Empire to anyone that could give him female genatalia. Due to this happening nearly 2000 years ago SRS was not possible.

Berleigh, thanks for supplying the link!

Elagabalus was just one in a long line of fantastically surreal Roman emperors.  He was the talk of the town in his day.  He was only emperor for four years, between the time he was 14-18, perhaps it was just teenage wasteland.  I mean if you are 17, and declaring yourself god you have lots of issues.

Quote from: Tamara on December 23, 2007, 06:28:43 AM
The Roman Emperor Elagabalus (who reigned from 218 to 222 AD) was transgender and offered large amounts of money and also possibly half ofthe Roman Empire to anyone that could give him female genatalia. Due to this happening nearly 2000 years ago SRS was not possible.

LOL That rocks!

Great post!

ed wood of course, cross dresser, film maker and novelist.

Posted on: December 27, 2007, 09:14:02 PM

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oh yeah, and jesus was an androgyne, as was buddah, God and Don Quixote.

yeah, but Sancho Panza, he was a man's man.

Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.

Little different.

What about Marilyn Manson?

Seems a little strange, but possibly Trans?

Quote from: Keira on December 19, 2007, 03:31:04 AM

It depends how you define fame, most of those mentioned
are not famous outside the TS community
except Harisu and Dana international, and a few others.

With time, I'm sure a REALLY famous, paris hilton level (she
has no talent, but she is FAMOUS) will appear.

Candis Cane, perhaps?

Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.
Little different.

Not at all, he could well have been androgyne and done all that.

Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.

Little different.

What about Marilyn Manson?

Seems a little strange, but possibly Trans?

can we stop saying anyone who looks androgynous is trans of some kind?
manson WAS married, recently divorced iirc... hes happily heterosexual, male, ROCKSTAR who happens to be a goth, and get off shocking people... this does not make him trans, i love how the trans community run around naming people as trans, or hey, they could be.... so could a LOT of people who dont have androgynous apearances... performers do things for acts...  this topic should stick to people who are KNOWN as trans, and famous, not randomly picking people who might be trans who are famous... this is probably how the Wakowski larry/lana BS started...
R

Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.

Little different.

What about Marilyn Manson?

Seems a little strange, but possibly Trans?

I thought Marilyn Manson was an American male gothic rock singer.

Marilyn Mason is not a real person.  Its an act.  Guess he thought that Brian Hugh Warner was not quite scary enough.  Though the act is designed to shock, in real life he is no more Goth than Liz Taylor.  In fact, Brian became a multi-millionaire by selling angst to teenagers, which as Bart Simpson once noted, was like "shooting fish in a barrel."  Brian -in real life -is a conservative, bourgeois guy with strong Republican leanings, who quasi-endorsed George W Bush in 2000.  Recently divorced because as he claims, his wife was expecting him to grow up, he is about to turn 39 and is currently boinking a barely-legal 19 year old.  Rock on.

exactly... this community is too quick to slap some makeup on someone and sign them up for the newsletter....
R

Quote from: Rachael on December 29, 2007, 06:08:09 PM
exactly... this community is too quick to slap some makeup on someone and sign them up for the newsletter....
R

What newsletter? I never got a newsletter. No tee shirt either. Bupkis, nada... >

Well... unless we can count tsuris, that I got plenty of 

Alice Cooper, another one doing it for shock, and Republican too.

y2g

Yeah but you never recieved that rulebook either - did you even sign that contract in your blood?

Quote from: Pica Pica on December 29, 2007, 01:05:40 PM

Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.
Little different.

Not at all, he could well have been androgyne and done all that.

Sure, but historic accounts of his life don't really support that.

I suppose though. He was a prince though, and was very well cared for as far as beauty and asthetics are concerned.
I don't think that makes him androgyne though. I mean I just don't see any evidence of it. For well he could have been though, but as a historic figure there is no account supporting that as far as I know.

Posted on: December 29, 2007, 09:24:47 PM

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Quote from: Rachael on December 29, 2007, 02:17:26 PM

Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Buddha was married, had a kid, then gave it up for a life of celibacy.

Little different.

What about Marilyn Manson?

Seems a little strange, but possibly Trans?

can we stop saying anyone who looks androgynous is trans of some kind?
manson WAS married, recently divorced iirc... hes happily heterosexual, male, ROCKSTAR who happens to be a goth, and get off shocking people... this does not make him trans, i love how the trans community run around naming people as trans, or hey, they could be.... so could a LOT of people who dont have androgynous apearances... performers do things for acts...  this topic should stick to people who are KNOWN as trans, and famous, not randomly picking people who might be trans who are famous... this is probably how the Wakowski larry/lana BS started...
R

I didn't say he was.
I said "what about?"

He may be.

The thing is, When you dress that way on stage, it is an act, when it's everyday, all the time, it makes you wonder.
Being married has nothing to do with it. And as far as I know neither does being Goth.
He certainly crossdresses on a regular basis, and as far as I know that may continue off stage.
Have you ever seen a picture of him anywhere where he was not portraying himself (or maybe herself) as feminine?
I havn't. That doesn't mean he isn't androgyne, but it doesn't mean he couldn't be trans either.

Such is the subject of the post.
Thats why I posted.

Do you know with certainty he isn't?

i have....
by your rulestick John tavolta MIGHT be trans, because he played a woman in hairspray...
infact by your rules, Tommy bloody lee Jones MIGHT be trans... you have no evidence... musicians are actors too... thier role makes them money...
billy joel in greenday wears eyeliner... must be secretly m2f...
annie lenox had a crewcut... f2m!
if you suggested that the 'feminine, or androgynous looking men at a goth club were trans, you might not survive the night...
apearance =/= squat.... we of all should know this.
R

Quote from: Rachael on December 29, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
i have....
by your rulestick John tavolta MIGHT be trans, because he played a woman in hairspray...
infact by your rules, Tommy bloody lee Jones MIGHT be trans... you have no evidence... musicians are actors too... thier role makes them money...
billy joel in greenday wears eyeliner... must be secretly m2f...
annie lenox had a crewcut... f2m!
if you suggested that the 'feminine, or androgynous looking men at a goth club were trans, you might not survive the night...
apearance =/= squat.... we of all should know this.
R

Huh?
I have no rulestick!
I was just wondering..
I kinda think maybe he is..