Or better yet we were raise by masculine men and never had contact with a female (lets say we were sent on a mission to distant planet of another solar system on a generation ship using cells like cocoons for our births). Everyone must be born male for a successful mission due to women's periods and cost, men stregth, and to avoid drama. All sperm collected is spray with XY concotion.

So we have no reminders of what a female is.... But being trans is still possible but much rarer because T is much stronger due to the spray. The only way we become transgender is by the brain being disform by lets say, the T shot was misuse. Due to being so rare... We happen to be the only trans on the ship... Its not known so theres no one to imitate . (think of this like a time before hormones...)

Would we know the difference? Would we still want to be female?

Quote from: stephaniec on December 19, 2015, 07:22:36 PM
there is something innately beautiful about bein called your proper gender that wouldn't happen on an isolated desert island.

I agree but for me part of transition was feeling how I am in my own body with a woman's proportions and dimensions. So on the island I'd still be happy but in society I also need to be seen as female.

Quote from: Wild Flower on December 19, 2015, 09:05:25 PM
Or better yet we were raise by masculine men and never had contact with a female (lets say we were sent on a mission to distant planet of another solar system on a generation ship using cells like cocoons for our births). Everyone must be born male for a successful mission due to women's periods and cost, men stregth, and to avoid drama. All sperm collected is spray with XY concotion.

So we have no reminders of what a female is.... But being trans is still possible but much rarer because T is much stronger due to the spray. The only way we become transgender is by the brain being disform by lets say, the T shot was misuse.

Would we know the difference? Would we still want to be female?

Too many factors here. I was likely DES exposed so the hormone spray would probably cause some issues.

That said, I was raised by my dad in an all male household. I still wanted to be female, so badly I was willing to take my own life in the hopes of reincarnating as one.

It would be pretty interesting being the only woman with all those men on a distant planet

Quote from: stephaniec on December 19, 2015, 09:11:32 PM
It would be pretty interesting being the only woman with all those men on a distant planet

It'll be like.... I dont belong here. I think mother nature will play her role on us, and trans women will gravitate to girl games regardless...

I played with barbies as a child without knowing it was right or wrong. I was really into making outfits for the dolls or fixing their hair.

I think a trans person will play his toys like a girl would...even if he had no knowledge of a woman.

After 40 years of just thinking I was wierd or different,  I only care how I treat myself.  The e makes my mind feel good.  Yes it's changing my body, but as long as I now know myself, they can call me whatever!  That's worth more than years of drugs, shrinks, or body mods to figure this out..

Postcards from the other side:)

To your question.

Its a toss up. 50/50. I need both my mirror validation on me passing and I need some validation in the real world.

On a deserted island, Ill have long hair and need to look feminine.

Quote from: Wild Flower on December 19, 2015, 09:17:26 PM
It'll be like.... I dont belong here. I think mother nature will play her role on us, and trans women will gravitate to girl games regardless...

I played with barbies as a child without knowing it was right or wrong. I was really into making outfits for the dolls or fixing their hair.

I think a trans person will play his toys like a girl would...even if he had no knowledge of a woman.

yea, they say we're just hard wired. I wanted to wear female clothes from me earliest memories

Omg. I havent seen this show in over a decade. In the Wild Thornberries, Debbie, a ditzy blonde, is deserted in the jungle with her sister/mother/dad. Nigel used her last shampoo... And she went cookoo about her shampoo. Her father told her she can find all the ingredients in the jungle.

There is no reason to smell good or look pretty. She took it upon herself to search for the ingredients for her shampoo to feel good.

Why? Why go through all that?

To be pretty regardless if anyone cares.

She did it for herself.

And that would be the same reason why I need to look pretty... For myself.

Quote from: stephaniec on December 19, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
yea, they say we're just hard wired. I wanted to wear female clothes from me earliest memories

I wanted to be Sailor Moon. That show was awesome as a child. I put on dresses here and there. Or make up For Halloween I was a witch lol. I even trim my eyebrows and my arm hair as a child.

You would think.... My family was ignorant I guess.

I had at least 3 barbies. And a Barbie head... And i hated boy toys.

It involves doing whatever you need to do to yourself to be accepting of your physical body but mostly changing the world to treat you as you. If you only wanted to change yourself for the sake of other people and wouldn't transition on a desert island then you are probably doing this for the wrong reasons.

It's more about me than anyone's perception of me of course! Obviously acceptance from outside of myself is important as well, just not as important as my own reality and perception.

it's kind of hard though , can we really not look in the mirror. I guess it's a sum total of all experience. Now , that my body has changed some what to the proper proportions I feel so much better. The feel of and weight of my breasts is healing a wound that's been there since childhood. My breasts and hopefully some hips have such an amazing feel to them. The last time I went to my doctor she was mentioning the possibility of my hips filling out and this inner little self started jumping up and down.

If there's a single mirror in this bunker, I'll want my E.  Otherwise... I don't know how much I'd care.  No matter what, my facial hair would make me cry if I couldn't get rid of it.  I'd pluck it incessantly; with my fingernails if necessary.

both important. As to the island reference, I'd transition in a heartbeat. If the feeling of incongruence would leave me be, life wouldn't feel so impossible. How others perceive me is important, but it is secondary.

A bit of both really.  It is a very nice thing to have the affirmation of others and to have them react to you the way you know they should.  It is also awesome to have things aligned within your own self.  In the end, what others think is simply what they will think and there is not a lot that can be done about it.  The inner turmoil being quelled is nearly bliss!