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Started by Ashey, December 27, 2015, 03:24:09 PM

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anjaq

Gosh, I would have been floored by that. I had something like that happen two years ago when I was just misgendered by someone constantly. It was dark and probably he did not see me properly and my voice gave this impression. Afterwards people tried to be nice - tell me that I am still a woman and that they congratulate me for being true to myself and such stuff, but I was totally floored. This was what eventually lead me to go for voice surgery actually.
But I guess this can always happen :'( - Some things about our bodies are not in the norm - ever, and some people have an eye for this, just like some people have that "gaydar" and can spot gay people right away... I just would wish they would not wave this around like they have done something great. For many of those it seems however that this is so obvious (because it is to them), that everyone else must see that too and automatically assume that everyone else knows this as well, so they just think its an open topic. I had this happen with a friend of mine who "knew" according to his words right away when we met. And basically he just assumed that everyone else knows this as well. So he just talked to people who did not know yet about this and they were surprised, and so the "news" spread into my circle of friends, involuntarily making me sort of an "out as trans" person there, which I certainly did not intend.

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Emileeeee

I personally wouldn't peg them as trans simply because they brought it up. I've spotted a few people that I knew were trans over the years, but I've never actually said anything to them about it. I mean, how would I feel if some random person came up to me and told me I didn't pass? Would I have any idea that they were trans too? I doubt it, because I'd be so focused on where I went wrong.
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iKate

Quote from: Elsa Delyth on December 28, 2015, 05:47:27 AM
It is untrue, and racist itself to suggest that African Americans are more athletic generally than other races,

I'm not going to get into the weeds about the race issue. Suffice to say, we agree to disagree.


QuoteI don't like how my family tends to be all respectful, and seemingly supportive to my face and about me, but then when talking about someone like Jenner, they are quite the opposite, refusing to acknowledge her identity, criticizing her looks, and bringing up this Michelle Obama thing... the passive aggression I deal with... lol.

I have a different problem. Many of my more recent friends (in real life, not online, so they see me and interact with me) simply do not know I am trans. As a result they say nasty things about Caitlyn Jenner and transgender people to me or in a group and I basically have to bite my tongue. But otherwise they are nice people and I am hoping I can convince them that trans people really aren't as bad as they think, because one of their best friends is trans and the stereotype is just that, a stereotype.
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Debra

Ugh as someone who's mostly stealth, I'd freak out about that so I don't blame you. You handled it well but ugh.

I may have stood up and walked away or something if it were me but I'm kinda done being 'educational' at this point....esp if he couldn't even keep his voice down.

I've gotten asked if I was a man or woman when I've been dressed up in costume at comicons.....that's been frustrating. Like why would you ever ask someone that??? I've basically answered "woman" and left it at that when asked. (as I run off and cry lol)

I attribute it to the many 'crossplays' that happen when it comes to that kind of thing and I'm putting myself out there by wearing any wigs frankly. But it's just how it goes I guess.


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Debra

Quote from: iKate on December 28, 2015, 10:02:04 AM
I have a different problem. Many of my more recent friends (in real life, not online, so they see me and interact with me) simply do not know I am trans. As a result they say nasty things about Caitlyn Jenner and transgender people to me or in a group and I basically have to bite my tongue. But otherwise they are nice people and I am hoping I can convince them that trans people really aren't as bad as they think, because one of their best friends is trans and the stereotype is just that, a stereotype.

I get some of that as well and I do correct people when I can (if I feel like I can do so w/o outing myself anyway). Thankfully most of my friend circles are pretty liberal.

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Debra

Quote from: Emileeeee on December 28, 2015, 09:23:24 AM
I personally wouldn't peg them as trans simply because they brought it up. I've spotted a few people that I knew were trans over the years, but I've never actually said anything to them about it. I mean, how would I feel if some random person came up to me and told me I didn't pass? Would I have any idea that they were trans too? I doubt it, because I'd be so focused on where I went wrong.

I agree with this 100%. I've seen some girls I thought could be (or probably are) trans and I would never in my life walk up to them and start talking to them about it.....because i wouldn't want that done to me.

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stephaniec

I wouldn't let it bother you. Besides being trans myself , I worked in Boys Town in Chicago for a long time and consider myself pretty good at clocking even though I've made mistakes. I know for my face there are certain angles that give me away. My left side is my mothers and my  right side is my fathers.
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Lyndsey

Quote from: Debra on December 28, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
I get some of that as well and I do correct people when I can (if I feel like I can do so w/o outing myself anyway). Thankfully most of my friend circles are pretty liberal.

Hi All
As Debra has said I myself hang around with a lot of my friends and work friends that have no idea that I'm trans. It can be very tough when you hear them start talking about that subject and bashing us who are trans. I would love to at time stand up in front of them and say, me one of your best friend I'm trans. I think knowing them that they would think I am just joking around with them. I can't do that as my job is working for the DA's office as a prosecutor. Even one of the judges has asked me out to dinner. I know all about him from my friends as he is married and a player.
I would never want to be outed in my job as it would make my job very difficult. But it is very interesting to find out how many funny things go on with your friend when they think that you are cis like them. WOW the conversations can get crazy. I will never ever let anyone in on my situation that absolutely does not have to know. Bottom line.

Hug's Lyndsey
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iKate

Quote from: Debra on December 28, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
I get some of that as well and I do correct people when I can (if I feel like I can do so w/o outing myself anyway). Thankfully most of my friend circles are pretty liberal.

Thankfully most of mine are libertarian/conservative. :)
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Deborah

You all are lucky.  Most of mine at work are hard right wing Christians.


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vickym



I don't know if it was a language thing (I hear migrant people from India referring to doors as "gates" sometimes so I can only guess they get their "similar" words mixed up if they're not great at English.

Hi Grace,It often is a language thing where English is a second language.I have a close Turkish friend who just misgenders everyone.She is a professional with an MBA!! This sort of applies to using he or she where their native tongue just uses the equivalent of they(Bengali definitely and Hindi maybe).However Sir is a bit more of a certain use and my partner(who is Bengali) thinks that the young lady may well have misgendered you.It's one of those things about being trans.It may not happen very often but when it does it can be quite upsetting.
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iKate


Quote from: vickym on December 28, 2015, 01:38:29 PM

I don't know if it was a language thing (I hear migrant people from India referring to doors as "gates" sometimes so I can only guess they get their "similar" words mixed up if they're not great at English.

Hi Grace,It often is a language thing where English is a second language.I have a close Turkish friend who just misgenders everyone.She is a professional with an MBA!! This sort of applies to using he or she where their native tongue just uses the equivalent of they(Bengali definitely and Hindi maybe).However Sir is a bit more of a certain use and my partner(who is Bengali) thinks that the young lady may well have misgendered you.It's one of those things about being trans.It may not happen very often but when it does it can be quite upsetting.

Indians do know English though, and quite well. It's almost like an official language there. That's what British occupation will do.
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anjaq

I got asked by kids at times if I was a man or a woman. Kids are rather open about this and where adults bite their tongues, kids don't. I usually tell that I am a woman there (feeling all awkward about the situation though of course). Whats most frustrating is if kids then ask again or insist on the other pronoun. Argh - especially if adults are around who then start to stare at me to find out if there may be some truth to the kids words...
Usually I tried to get at least the most information out of the situation about what is still off about me. And since 90% of the answers were that is my voice, I had VFS now and hope those incidents now will be less - and hopefully more manageable if they occur...

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almightymouse

Quote from: Ashey on December 27, 2015, 03:24:09 PM
...and it was really weird.

Earlier last week I had arrived at a bus station and was waiting for my friend to get me. So as I stood outside the station, this guy was sitting next to me and just looks me up and down and asks something like 'Do you find it hard being trans?' ... I was just stunned, because that's the first time anyone's even noticed I was trans without my pointing it out. In fact, there have been times I've come out to people and they thought I wanted to become a guy... So for this guy to just instantly clock me like that, and then have the audacity to just say that right off like he was absolutely certain, just had me floored. He was nice enough, says he supports trans people, and didn't want to offend. Said it was my chest that gave me away? Like it wasn't quite proportional to the rest of me? Ugh... seemed way too flimsy an excuse to call me out like he did. And then he asked if I was going to have 'the surgery'.. I'm like 'Welll my genitals aren't any of your business. It's not like I'd come up to you and ask you how big your dick was..' and he said I was right and apologized, saying 'Well now I know that's offensive to trans people'. ::) Then he asked a bunch more questions over the next 10 minutes.. I tried being educational, even though he was a bit annoying, and kept apologizing for it. It also made me uncomfortable that he was going on about this stuff with people walking by, and not even trying to keep it down. And then there were times where I was veering away from his line of questioning because it felt like he was still trying to figure out what was going on in my pants.. Some people can be so inconsiderate, and just goes to show how freakin' alien we can be to cis folks. But yeah, the whole situation really bothered me. :/
And rightfully so. Wow, what a piece of some word I can't type out, but WOW. Rude beyond words -- DISGUSTING. Does he find it difficult coping with his obvious over-infatuation with attractive trans women?? Like, what the bleep, dude.

Anyway, I have some words that may help you a bit. First of all, I think that passing trans women (like yourself) even have certain features about them that might be specific to the trans-woman community, but that aren't necessarily even masculine. Sort of like an ethnicity or a culture, i suppose. For example, I am tall (5 ft. 9 or 10), and am very lithe (35-27-38), and this is common among trans women who have not had surgeries to augment their curvatures. Is this masculine, however? No, not at all, but that didn't stop some obnoxious people several months ago from inquiring whether I'm secretly a man (pretty much to my face). It seems counterintuitive on their part given that cis women would die to have my build, but it stems from people being intrusive and needing someone to talk about, as was the case with this waste who pried at your way of life incessantly.

Moreover, it seems like so many of us have defined (not sharp, but defined) faces, like what is seen in high fashion, and so, I can almost promise that someone who is obnoxious enough could ask me as well if I'm trans simply because I'm slender and have a defined face. In fact, I've gotten looks before that remind me that I look kind of different for a woman, such as from little kids, etc.

But, I'm undeniably gorgeous, and no one can even call me "he" (even whenever they want to); this is what I've learned to embrace. It speaks to how feminine I am despite bearing features stereotypical to a passing trans woman. Sounds like I have the edge, in fact, since men always have their eyes on me, as opposed to mainstream women (who notoriously give me death-glares haha).

Also -- and this is quite pertinent -- how far have you developed your voice into the feminine range? When I worked among a bunch of obnoxious blue collar people (something I'm far removed from) several months ago, I passed as female,  but I hadn't developed my voice. Occasionally, I'd get bullied or targeted by intrusive people, and there was NOTHING I could do to defend myself through use of words. I just had to stand there and take it. Yet, now, I have developed my voice so that it's higher than that of the average cis woman (and on command), and as such, I can totally just shut some rude person down without a problem. Like, that one time I was ordering food from a restaurant, and the cashier -- who I used to date -- called me "he" to be rude, and I verbally annihilated her, prompting people to laugh at her.

I guess it's just one of many avenues through which I've learned to embrace my appearance.

Lastly, I'm regarded as being pretty attractive for being trans (or even for being cis), and I have even experienced some of the rudest nonsense conceivable. One time, I was on a dating site, and normally I'd only date men located in my big city because I've dealt with enough country folk to scream. However, there was this small-town guy who found me on there, and he was struck beyond words by my beauty, not knowing that I'm trans (no one did, in fact). He begged me to come down to where he lives over and over so that he could say he scored a 10 (sadly), and he just wouldn't leave me alone.

Finally, knowing that I once worked at the factory he was then working at, I told him about this. He asked what my job was, and I told him -- shedding light on nothing else about myself. Because he's insecure, he just blatantly asked me, "Are you secretly a man?" I laughed it off and told him that that woman he must be referring to from the factory wasn't me. So, he kept hitting on me, and I got screenshots of it because I knew who he was. Finally, I told him that that was me several months ago, and he blocked me in every way possible, pretty much with his tail between his legs.

So, yeah, people like that probably just have an unhealthy infatuation with trans women. You can always message me, and I'll be here to listen.

Sincerely,
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itsApril

Quote from: stephaniec on December 28, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
. . . I wouldn't let it bother you. Besides being trans myself , I worked in Boys Town in Chicago for a long time and consider myself pretty good at clocking even though I've made mistakes. . . .

I've always maintained a distinction in the wording I use.  If I perceive someone to be transgendered, I consider that I have "read" them.  "Reading" is purely internal on my part.  To me, "clocking" someone as transgendered means making some remark or indicating overtly that I have read her/him.  I try very hard never to "clock" anybody.

I think I'm pretty good at "reading" gender.  But I don't want to "clock" anybody.  That's the language distinction I have.  Do others agree?  Or is this just my own idiosyncrasy?
-April
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iKate


Quote from: itsApril on January 01, 2016, 05:29:03 PM
I've always maintained a distinction in the wording I use.  If I perceive someone to be transgendered, I consider that I have "read" them.  "Reading" is purely internal on my part.  To me, "clocking" someone as transgendered means making some remark or indicating overtly that I have read her/him.  I try very hard never to "clock" anybody.

I think I'm pretty good at "reading" gender.  But I don't want to "clock" anybody.  That's the language distinction I have.  Do others agree?  Or is this just my own idiosyncrasy?

I use clocking and reading interchangeably but I see what you mean.
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iKate


Quote from: anjaq on January 01, 2016, 04:49:16 PM
I got asked by kids at times if I was a man or a woman. Kids are rather open about this and where adults bite their tongues, kids don't. I usually tell that I am a woman there (feeling all awkward about the situation though of course). Whats most frustrating is if kids then ask again or insist on the other pronoun. Argh - especially if adults are around who then start to stare at me to find out if there may be some truth to the kids words...
Usually I tried to get at least the most information out of the situation about what is still off about me. And since 90% of the answers were that is my voice, I had VFS now and hope those incidents now will be less - and hopefully more manageable if they occur...
I've only had one single incident of a kid clocking me and that was a friend's kid and they told the kid. Otherwise kids like to smile at me or sometimes I say hi and they say hi back. Moms would sometimes talk with me about parenting, kids in tow and all. The kids seem to be in their own world.
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Lyndsey

Hi All

Remember getting clocked is a state if mind If your are a women act like it As you will not get clocked.
If you are looking to get clocked by being paranoids you will!zA cis women dose not think of it why should you.

Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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iKate

Quote from: Lyndsey on January 01, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
Hi All

Remember getting clocked is a state if mind If your are a women act like it As you will not get clocked.
If you are looking to get clocked by being paranoids you will!zA cis women dose not think of it why should you.

Lyndsey

Yep, this. Be confident, make jokes, laugh with people. You will generally avoid being clocked.
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Lyndsey

Quote from: iKate on January 01, 2016, 07:24:56 PM
Yep, this. Be confident, make jokes, laugh with people. You will generally avoid being clocked.

Hi Katie

You are right that is why I never get clocked and if you need to play dumb even if you know. LOL

Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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