1) For which candidate are you voting?

2) Why?

3) Which candidate would you least like to see as the U.S. president?

4) Why?

1.  Bernie Sanders
2. Because he is the only one that appears to possess any degree of personal humility and integrity.
3. Any candidate with an R after their name.
4. Because every single one of them is preaching Christian Dominionism which I consider antithetical to everything this country stands for.


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1. Donald Trump

2. We need a business man not a socialist to help jump start our country. Socialism does not belong in the USA, social economics is a failed science.

I've watched our country falling apart, Muslims in America have more rights now.


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Thank you both for responding! 

Very interesting. It is difficult to conceive on two responses more diametrically opposed.

I won't answer my questions, and will instead try to stoke conversation. Please do not attack each other, so we can keep this thread alive.

Quote from: autumn08 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:16 AM
Very interesting. It is difficult to conceive on two responses more diametrically opposed.

LOL,  that is the understatement of the week!  My flamethrower is all out of gas so no worries from this side.  :-)


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Quote from: Deborah on January 06, 2016, 08:09:16 AM
1.  Bernie Sanders
2. Because he is the only one that appears to possess any degree of personal humility and integrity.
3. Any candidate with an R after their name.
4. Because every single one of them is preaching Christian Dominionism which I consider antithetical to everything this country stands for.


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Do you think Bernie Sanders' domestic proposal are prudent, given our deficit and aging population?

Also, how do you think Bernie Sanders' would react to the Syrian Civil War?

Definitely Mr. Sanders because he is what this country needs. He cares about the youth and realizes that we are the future and if something isn't done then we won't have a future.

Donald Trump because his campaign is nothing but racism and sexism. His views on Hispanics, Muslim's, and blacks is just disgusting. We have come too far to push ourselves back 50 years and bring back such heavy racism. Plus I'd rather not vote for someone who has been compared to Hitler multiple times. His points may be good but it means nothing if he only cares about white people. A president runs the entire country and supports everyone not just one group

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Quote from: cheryl reeves on January 06, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
1. Donald Trump

2. We need a business man not a socialist to help jump start our country. Socialism does not belong in the USA, social economics is a failed science.

I've watched our country falling apart, Muslims in America have more rights now, if you want sharia law go to Saudi Arabia and see how that works.

The non partisan tax foundation estimates that Donald Trump's tax proposal would increase the deficit by the highest amount, of any republican candidate's proposal. Do you think this increase in the deficit warrants the redistribution of wealth, given the country's rising inequality?

Also, which rights have Muslims received more of?

Quote from: haeden on January 06, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
Definitely Mr. Sanders because he is what this country needs. He cares about the youth and realizes that we are the future and if something isn't done then we won't have a future.

Donald Trump because his campaign is nothing but racism and sexism. His views on Hispanics, Muslim's, and blacks is just disgusting. We have come too far to push ourselves back 50 years and bring back such heavy racism. Plus I'd rather not vote for someone who has been compared to Hitler multiple times. His points may be good but it means nothing if he only cares about white people. A president runs the entire country and supports everyone not just one group

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Similar question to you Haeden, that I gave Deborah. Do you think the country should commit itself to paying for college tuition, when we are going to have an increasing commitment to social security?

I have honestly not been following his policies very closely as I am waiting until after the conventions to invest any serious mental energy into it.  However, what we are doing now isn't working and I don't believe a single thing any Republican says as without fail they always deliver the opposite of what they promise.  So, right now I just want honesty and integrity.

The Syrian Civil war is complex and I'll be the first to say that the current Middle East policies are a mess.  I believe that due to the nature of Islamic Extremism, it's basis in religion, and its support by large segments of the population, that the only solution for any semblance of stability is what existed before.  That is strongmen governments willing and able to ruthlessly suppress them.  Obama has disrupted that and unleashed hell,  Bush disrupted it before him and unleashed hell, And so on all the way back to Jimmy Carter.

In effect, we have created the environment that fosters the extremism with our foolish adventures to introduce democracy into a place and culture without the sociological basis for it to work.

So, what to do now?  There are only two solutions possible in my view.  One is admitting our error, withdrawing all Military deployments in the region, and letting them fight it out.  If the strongmen reassert control stability will return at the cost of ruthless governments.  If the Jihadists win we have a bigger problem than now that will continue to fester and spread worldwide.

The other option is to unleash the full capability of our forces on the Islamists to suppress them in short order.  We do possess this capability but it will be very destructive and very lethal.  Lots of people will die and it will all be televised.  Americans have neither the stomach nor will for this type of intervention.  It would also require reinstalling ruthless puppet dictators to continue imposing our will.

What we will probably do, and this applies to all candidates, is just more of the same.  That is just enough force to maintain America's illusion that we are doing something for the children while having no decisive or lasting effect.

Hopefully, Bernie Sanders will give up the failed crusade to recast the entire world in our image even if he does continue these low level interventions.


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Yeah I mean we pay for other things that never get done like roads. I just don't think in a society that is all about higher education and bettering ones self that we pay for college. Honestly the taxes wouldn't be that much given how many people pay taxes now. The one percent like Trump wouldn't even notice it! College is essential for a lot of jobs but my generation can't afford college and to live. I have so many friends with loans out 16+ credit hours and two jobs. Just killing themselves trying to survive and reach their dreams

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the only rational choice is Hillary. I'd rather have someone who knows what their doing

Quote from: autumn08 on January 06, 2016, 04:20:03 AM
1) For which candidate are you voting?

2) Why?

3) Which candidate would you least like to see as the U.S. president?

4) Why?

(1) Sanders, probably.  I don't think he is likely to be the nominee.  If it's Hillary v. the Republicans, I will bite the bullet and vote for Hillary, though she's really too conservative and hawkish for me.

(2) Lots of reasons for Sanders:  To break up the biggest banks.  To stop the increasing divide in economic and social inequality we are experiencing.  Because he recognizes that climate change and environmental disaster are ultimately the biggest threats we face.  Because he advocates increased public funding of college education.  Because he's not afraid of the word "socialist."

(3) Ted Cruz.

(4) Lots of people are angry with government because of bad things that government does, or maybe because of good things that government fails to do.  Ted Cruz stands all of that on its head.  Ted Cruz hates government because of the good things it does.  He ran for the Senate expressly for the purpose of going to Washington to shut down the government and cause chaos.

1) Bernie Sanders

2) The neoliberal voodoo economic policies instituted under Reagan have alienated workers from their increased productivity while the overburdened middle class has been forced to pay for the idle wealthy and corporatist shirking their social responsibilities. We need a candidate who is aware of this problem so it can be alleviated and is not for sale to the highest bidders.

3) With the possible exception of Kasich, any Republican is a horrible option for the US. Trump may remind me of the fascist rally in "The Wall" but he's just more vocal than the others who seem to be stumbling over themselves to agree with him.

4) Far from the conservatism outlined by Goldwater or Buckley, the current batch of Republicans have become the worst of both worlds. They have become socially authoritarian while simultaneously screwing up the laissez faire policies they champion...there is too much money to be made by turning a blind eye to making laws favor the plutocrats after all. Not to mention being permissive of the economic serfdom of the middle and working class... Just a bad option all around...

Quote from: Yukari-sensei on January 06, 2016, 06:59:04 PM
3) With the possible exception of Kasich, any Republican is a horrible option for the US. Trump may remind me of the fascist rally in "The Wall" but he's just more vocal than the others who seem to be stumbling over themselves to agree with him.

Nurnberg comes to mind when I watch him.  It's complete with the mindless adoration.


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1. Bernie Sanders

2. He seems to actually care about the people and their equality instead of just the presidential seat. He also speaks honestly and has never swayed from his political views.

3. My least likely vote is Trump, but I'm honestly not any more likely to vote for any of the GOP candidates.

4. They do not have my best interests in mind. Every one of them has taken a position of hate against not only me, but also anyone who is not like them in this country. We will be set back many years.

5. I'm not here to debate this. I've done that enough and I have a headache. I'm just sharing my views since the topic is here.

So far, Deborah, Haeden, April, Yukari-sensei, and Eevee have nailed it with their informed and thoughtful responses.

All the Republican candidates are beholden to the corporate plutocrats who are rapidly taking over the power structure in the US. Ms. Clinton is no better in that regard. She, and, any of the Republicans will assuredly, if elected, make the lives of ordinary people worse than they are now; Ms. Clinton may be somewhat less likely to start WWIII, but she will continue the state of perpetual war which is destroying the populations of much of the world.

Mr. Sanders is only slightly better than she when it comes to foreign policy, but when it comes to domestic policy, he is the only candidate who has a clue about what is actually happening in this country; he gets it about the dangers of plutocracy (kleptocracy may be a better word for it), and he does seem to give a d**m about the 99%.

I fear most for this country if Mr. Trump is elected, because his behavior makes him a fascist in everything but name.

  Unknown at this time. I like Trump's candor, but he needs a lot of tact.

  Not: Anybody named Bush or Clinton.
  No dynasties here.

Joelene

1. I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be. Whoever it is gets my vote. I kinda like Martin O'Malley, who unfortunately, will not be the nominee. He fits somewhere between Clinton and Sanders.

2. The defense industry gets too much of our tax dollars — there is no more Soviet Union. If we reduced the defense budget and the 1% paid the taxes they should there will be plenty of money to provide quality healthcare and education, as well as social security for the elderly (me). The unemployment rate will plummet when public works projects are roads, bridges, public transportation, and airports rather than football stadiums. No Republican, and most Democrats, will do these things. Elect me for gawd's sake.

3. Any and all Republicans.

4. Republicans are effing nuts.