Quote from: iKate on November 01, 2015, 08:20:32 PM
I believe it was HughE who was pointing out that a lot of trans people have physical characteristics of women in many respects. This as they theorized is a form of intersex. I guess so. Well, whatever. I am who I am.

Yes, there's a number of bodily characteristics which are collectively known as "Eunuchoid habitus", and is something that's usually associated with intersex conditions. Way more of us MTF and transfeminine people seem to have this type of body structure than is the case for cis males, which is another thing pointing to trans being a kind of intersex, except one in which the main effects have been on the brain rather than the genitals.

Here's the complete list:

* long, slender arms and legs
* a leg length that's significantly greater than the height of your upper body (the two should be about equal in men)
* an armspan 3cm or more greater than your height.
* sparse or very fine body hair
* a female "escutcheon" or pubic hair pattern (like an upside down triangle and confined to the pubic region)
* difficulty building upper body muscle
* feminine facial features and a generally feminine appearance (soft chubby features rather than hard muscular ones; gracile bone structure etc).
* gynecomastica
* other things such as female digit ratio (index finger equal to or longer than ring finger); female carrying angle; absence of acne as a teenager; long, luxuriant eyelashes and comparatively small, high arched feet (in my case anyway).

It's more noticeable during your teens and twenties, after that testosterone (even at below normal male levels) has masculinized your body to the point where you don't stand out any more. All the things involving bone structure (digit ratio, leg to trunk ratio etc) are still there though.

I took a photocopy of my hand, measured my fingers and did the math, My ratio .99 or something like it,  That apparently puts me right in the middle of where women fit. So I started to have a look and see what else might be considered a "tell" and I seem to have few things like my hair that I have been told all my life women would kill for... not so much now I have a high-ish forehead with a not over pronounced ridge...  I have long thick eyelashes and big eyes. So I guess there are more and maybe one day I will even do the other body measurements

Quote from: sarahtokes on November 20, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
I took a photocopy of my hand, measured my fingers and did the math, My ratio .99 or something like it,  That apparently puts me right in the middle of where women fit. So I started to have a look and see what else might be considered a "tell" and I seem to have few things like my hair that I have been told all my life women would kill for... not so much now I have a high-ish forehead with a not over pronounced ridge...  I have long thick eyelashes and big eyes. So I guess there are more and maybe one day I will even do the other body measurements

I wonder how many of those tells i have too. The finger ratio and the thumbs offset from the body thing. I also have really long eyelashes, thick hair, fairly big eyes, no adams apple, gynecomastia, larger hips and butt,. I wonder how many of these are "hormones in the womb" based. I do have a squarish jaw though.

This is interesting... I have quite a few feminine features, including small body frame, small hands, and small feet. My 2D:4D digit ratio is also 1 (both same size when I measured on my right hand). My arms go outwards or away from my body as well like that of a female.

I guess it shouldn't be that surprising that some of these characteristics are found more in those who identify as transgender. Although since there is an overlap, not having these features wouldn't exclude someone from being transgender... since there is overlap between sexes.

On my left hand my ring finger is longer than the index finger. On my right hand it's opposite: my ring finger is shorter than my index finger. So what does that make me?

I've also learned (in elementary school) that if your middle and index fingers are the same size you're a werewolf.

Who ever knew that finger size isn't just random genetics and could tell so much about a person? (That's sarcasm. We trans people have enough to be dysphoric about without having to worry about things like finger ratios.)

We do. But I also kinda wish there was some overarching physical features that can be traced back to pre-birth development (such as skeletal) to being trans, so that the idiots out there who think we're all just doing what we do to screw with people, or because fad, would STFU.

Quote from: Contravene on January 09, 2016, 12:42:06 AM
On my left hand my ring finger is longer than the index finger. On my right hand it's opposite: my ring finger is shorter than my index finger. So what does that make me?

I've also learned (in elementary school) that if your middle and index fingers are the same size you're a werewolf.

Who ever knew that finger size isn't just random genetics and could tell so much about a person? (That's sarcasm. We trans people have enough to be dysphoric about without having to worry about things like finger ratios.)

That is typical.... but as the OP of this its not the rule for everyone..
Its just an interesting thing and does mean something in the overall population.. google it..
Keri