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Is torture ever OK?

Started by IsabelleStPierre, December 28, 2007, 06:41:26 PM

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IsabelleStPierre

Greetings Everyone,

Well it seems that the government is still at it when it comes to torture...and still trying to cover it up too.

Which got me to thinking...is there ever a time when the use of torture is justified???

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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Nero

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Ell

Not in the military sense, which i think is what you're talking about.

it is strictly forbidden by a number of international treaties which the US has signed on.

hmm. guess that brings up a question of war crimes...
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IsabelleStPierre

Quote from: ell on December 28, 2007, 07:07:38 PMNot in the military sense, which i think is what you're talking about.

it is strictly forbidden by a number of international treaties which the US has signed on.

hmm. guess that brings up a question of war crimes...

LOL, I have thought that there are a number of politicians that really should be brought up on war crimes...but I don't see that ever happening!

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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RebeccaFog


I was going to be silly, but I can't.

The answer is NO!!!!!!!

Not under any circumstances.            Not under any conditions.


Thank you for asking, though.

Have a nice day,


Rebis
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tekla

TORTURE IS NEVER OK, SO DON'T DO IT.

That these people will not stand trial for crimes against humanity has yet to be seen, the list has been made.  Bush et. all. did in Iraq exactly what we hung the Nazis for at the end of WWII.  Personally I would rather see the lot of them on trial for treason during time of war (the fact that they declared the war is just perfect irony) which is capital offense. 

The charges have been filed however, which is going to make it almost impossible for any of these people to travel overseas after they leave office, witness the old Rumsfeld being forced to retreat from France this year faster than the French ever retreated in front of the Germans.  Proving himself the true coward that is was, and is.

Impeach and imprison, its the only way.   And for those who think its too late to impeach, its not, because among other things a guilty verdict would remove all future support (money, staff, office space, use of official transportation and Secret Service protection) from these people, and make it impossible for them to ever hold office again.  Its the least we can do.

My dream is that we would indite them for treason with capital charges attached, then ship them off to The Hauge to stand trial - no matter what the outcome, they could never come home, because Europe will not extradite to a possible death penalty, so they would in effect become people without countries.  Perhaps their pals in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia might take them in, though making them live in Iraq would be even better.  After all, they freed Iraq, I'm sure they would get a warm welcome.
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lisagurl

Torture is subjective. Reading this thread is torture.
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IsabelleStPierre

Quote from: lisagurl on December 28, 2007, 07:47:33 PMTorture is subjective. Reading this thread is torture.

Ah...but it's a self inflicted torture isn't??

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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tekla

The difference, not minor, is that you could have stopped reading at any time.  I don't think people getting that treatment get to opt out.
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lisagurl

Quote from: Isabelle St-Pierre on December 28, 2007, 07:49:53 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on December 28, 2007, 07:47:33 PMTorture is subjective. Reading this thread is torture.

Ah...but it's a self inflicted torture isn't??

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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Pica Pica

Quote from: tekla on December 28, 2007, 07:43:29 PM
TORTURE IS NEVER OK, SO DON'T DO IT.

Calm yeself dear, I wasn't planning on it.
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Natasha

It's an ineffective way to extract information. If you torture somebody long enough, he'll tell you anything you want to hear whether it's true or not. Many American soldiers signed bogus confessions in Viet Nam because they had been tortured.

On the other hand... someone like... oh... Michael Vick. I wouldn't mind if he were staked to the ground and set upon by a few rabid pit-bulls.
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Ell

Quote from: lisagurl on December 28, 2007, 07:47:33 PM
Torture is subjective. Reading this thread is torture.

Lisagurl, some of your remarks today are just tripping me out. are you ok?

-ell
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tekla

"Calm yeself dear, I wasn't planning on it."

Ahh, but we are.  Of course you are not, England is civilized more or less, and we are not.  We now find that enhanced interrogation techniques are A-OK, if you are one of them.  This from the people who said "if your not with us your with the terrorists."  So, if your all down with them, no problem.
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Pica Pica

are we civilized, or just better at hiding it?
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IsabelleStPierre

Quote from: tekla on December 28, 2007, 08:49:39 PM
"Calm yeself dear, I wasn't planning on it."

Ahh, but we are.  Of course you are not, England is civilized more or less, and we are not.  We now find that enhanced interrogation techniques are A-OK, if you are one of them.  This from the people who said "if your not with us your with the terrorists."  So, if your all down with them, no problem.

OK, let's try to keep this just to the topic of torture...and not turn it into a pissing match. There are many, many countries that could be accused of using torture techniques, but that's not the topic at hand...

So please...try to stay on topic.

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Pica Pica on December 28, 2007, 08:51:43 PM
are we civilized, or just better at hiding it?
I've heard tales of the cuisine you people serve, so I know you're well acquainted with the use of torture.
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Pica Pica

mmm true. Beware of the spotted dick.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Isabelle St-Pierre on December 28, 2007, 08:54:27 PM
OK, let's try to keep this just to the topic of torture...and not turn it into a pissing match. There are many, many countries that could be accused of using torture techniques, but that's not the topic at hand...

So please...try to stay on topic.

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
I don't know where you've come from, but I like you already.

Let's see.  Torture.  Is torture ever okay?   NO!!!

wait.  I'm just repeating myself.

     I agree with everything Tekla said here.  (just saying)

     Now, to expound.
     Torture is wrong and there is no reason for it under any conditions.  It's occurred to me that I am incapable of getting into it any deeper than that.  I guess I see no reason that anyone would ever have to rationalize not hurting another human being under any condition.

    If this thread goes on as I expect it to, I will make the attempt to clutter my truth with facts.

Smell you later,

Rebis
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IsabelleStPierre

QuoteIf this thread goes on as I expect it to, I will make the attempt to clutter my truth with facts.

LOL...nothing ever confuses a topic like using facts...that's just not playing fair!!!

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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