Quote from: Emileeeee on January 15, 2016, 12:39:24 PM
it has and continues to vibrate at the base of my neck no matter what I do.

That's because you continue to use muscles UNDER your Adam's apple when speaking. Those muscles should NOT be used, and instead only those muscles that contract when you swallow and bring the Adam's apple upp and backwards should be used. This has the effect that less of your voice box is being used so in essence, you have a smaller voice box, like cisfemales. After awhile, using those muscles in this way when speaking becomes second nature. In 10 yrs, I have ALWAYS gotten madamed on the phone. It works, it's not hard once you understand the mechanics...

I've read that and tried it over and over again, but I never actually developed an Adam's apple due to my excessively low T I assume, so I don't know where that actually is to do that.

Quote from: Emileeeee on January 15, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
I've read that and tried it over and over again, but I never actually developed an Adam's apple due to my excessively low T I assume, so I don't know where that actually is to do that.

Like I said earlier try opening your mouth really wide and yawning, feel how the ring in your throat just behind your tongue expands? There.



Half way through this they show you the structure of the throat and help you find your vocal cords. Warning: Dry as heck.

Aha! Thanks!

I took voice lessons with Sandy Hirsch, one of the best trans voice therapists in the US (world?) I'm very happy with the results. She's expensive $100/hr) and has a long waiting list. I never get misgendered on the phone and I've gotten numerous compliments on my voice from many of my trans* friends.

Pitch is not as important as phrasing, inflections, breathing and how you use your "instrument" (throat, lips, tongue). I only had to raise my pitch a little to get into the androgynous zone.

I think most MTFs don't need voice surgery, as long as they find (or are guided in finding) their female voice

I had a deep male voice that I can no longer reach.  Here's my voice now:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0U0XOXPhDlt

Quote from: starting_anew on January 20, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
I think most MTFs don't need voice surgery, as long as they find (or are guided in finding) their female voice

I had a deep male voice that I can no longer reach.  Here's my voice now:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0U0XOXPhDlt

very nice thanks

Quote from: KayXo on January 13, 2016, 07:19:35 AM
Surgery won't do much as it only changes pitch. Resonance is key to sounding female and no surgery at the present moment changes resonance.

Given my personal experience with  surgery I can say this is mostly incorrect but about 1/3 correct.

Surgery does quite a lot.

It changes more than just fundamental pitch. It also changes the overall timbre of the voice. Remember your voice is a complex instrument and gendering of voices is much more than pitch alone.

You are right about resonance. I lucked out in that regard. I have zero male resonance. I have to try hard to get a chesty voice and it's not comfortable to do. But yes I have heard women who have high pitch yet sound male because of resonance.

Quote from: starting_anew on January 20, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
I think most MTFs don't need voice surgery, as long as they find (or are guided in finding) their female voice

I had a deep male voice that I can no longer reach.  Here's my voice now:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0U0XOXPhDlt

That is fantastic. Did you use a program or self taught?


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Quote from: ImSuziG on January 20, 2016, 09:39:32 PM
That is fantastic. Did you use a program or self taught?


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Thank you mostly self-taught.  I used to sing in a punk band, and I used a very different kind of voice back in the day, but I think my singing background probably helped.  There are some really great youtube videos I used to help though... Shae Sanguine's videos on voice in particular (I think that's actually her username on youtube).

In the vast majority of cases, I'm not impressed AT ALL with results from voice surgery. Even long-term follow-up.

I downloaded the app EVA MTF and it seems promising. The app is free and has some free content but there are paid lessons too.


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I pass 100% of the time with it, and did so without surgery, so by all means it's "successful," but honestly I still hate it because it sounds a bit shrill, nasaly, and forced. It sounds like a transy voice to my ears rather than the soft tone that a cis woman has. Plus it tends to sound guyish when I start getting frustrated, so I still might look into VFS one day if I can afford it. I really don't like having to put conscious effort into it, I really wish it was just a natural thing that I didn't EVER have to worry about. That wasn't an option, though, I guess this post was just about "success." If that's the case, I've had exactly ONE person in the last two years ever tell me that I have a deep voice, with many more complimenting me that I had a nice voice, even though I don't really agree with them.

Quote from: Carrie Liz on January 21, 2016, 11:34:05 AM
I really wish it was just a natural thing that I didn't EVER have to worry about.

I wish that too BUT current surgeries available don't give me much confidence in attaining that goal and costs/risks outweigh benefits by a wide margin. Just not worth it. Yet!

What an interesting topic and such sincerity coming from all of you.

In my case, I did Voice-Over for years, and did back up vocals for a lot of groups and singers.

Believe it or not, it's one of the hardest "Voices" I've had to work on. I've had some voice therapy, and that has helped (Timbre, Tone,Pacing,etc)  but I can't hit the notes well in a song without going falsetto. This isn't good for me.    

At the moment, I'll be getting my facial surgery first (eventhough my friends are telling me I don't need it). And then later, I may end up going to Korea to a place called Yeson (I"m not sure if I spelled it right).  The surgery is around $7500.00 (I'd rather put that into my FFS) --AND I can't get my trache shaved when I get my FFS because you can't have it shaved for this surgery! Luckily, I do not have a pronounced bump.

I think most girls can benefit from regular voice therapy, and I wouldn't recommend surgery unless you have a really deep voice or you need it to sing.

Admittedly, there are times where I feel it's more of a pain than anything else. But it helps me pass 99.9% of the time. My close friends let me relax around them;I never get too low, but it's nice to have a safe place to let your hair , or should I say voice down without anyone passing judgement.

In the end it's all up to you to decide what you feel is best.

i honestly didnt make any effort in training my voice.  I should do it however but even if my voice is loud well there are womans with loud voice too..  Its more like a confidence thing and trying not to add to much resonance to your voice.   VFS is a thing i will do but probably the last.

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on January 14, 2016, 03:30:31 PM
I voted phenomenal, self trained

Shall post voice recording soon 

lol im so late with this but I didn't forget! I've been sick a lot these past few months, allergy attacks, flu, colds...anyways here's my voice, like i defeated the nasely voice thing a few years back ugh that phase was so annoying.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1DqJQK6Y8Gz

I'm finding I do all right not having surgery. I'm to the point of not really trying or thinking about it and it comes out all right.

Although I've no Adam's apple I still sound like Lemmy from Motorhead( RIP big man)

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on March 12, 2016, 08:03:37 PM
...anyways here's my voice

Love it; it's really perfect.