So what, I don't care after seeing many of their results in the flesh.

Simon Eccles at London's Chelsea & Westminster hospital is a world renowned craniofacial surgeon but he did not carry out my surgery satisfactorily with his ideas of forehead revisions for transgendered patients and the fact that my left frontal sinus is still prominent. Additionally, I still get constant nosebleeds from the left nostril as well as pain from the left forehead area. But to his credit he admitted that the inappropriate PEEK implants he inserted were not a success and when touched are painful, so they have to be removed. As a result the NHS are paying Facial Team for my complex forehead reconstruction, as it is functional.

However I am paying for the cosmetic revision rhinoplasty and cosmetic secondary upper lip lift which were not touched by him.

PS. I can assure you that the NHS, after the failed attempt by Simon Eccles in October 2014, would not be spending any more public money if they had not researched Facial Team's abilities thoroughly.

Quote from: Lagertha on December 25, 2015, 01:42:36 PM
None of facial team surgeons is craniofacial surgeon. Lets be honest here, dr. Capitan and dr. Simon have dental surgery background and specialization in oral & maxillofacial surgery

I sincerely hope and wish they will be up to the task, and finally for the last time resolve your forehead issue. It is beyond my understanding what your previous surgeon tried to achieve with his revision attempt. I certainly wish you all the luck and satisfying result.

Quote from: Lagertha on December 19, 2015, 01:17:58 PM
Rhinoplasty is always done to allign nose with other facial features, primarily forehead. When you change forehead you need to reallign nose again to "fit" with the new forehead. Having nose done once is a good idea. Doing it right for the second or third time is a lot more tricky (because of scar tissue, cartilage issues, etc..). If one even only considers having FFS, they should never have rhinoplasty done first. Always wait.. because its always forehead first, and nose last. Multiple revision are generally a bad idea, even if its only rhinoplasty.

Thanks god , Shoko brought up this topic again. I was asking about asian FFS earlier as well, was mostly concerned about nose, because I tend to have it done separately in Korea where they are expert in natural asian rhinoplasty ( we mostly have problem with big flat nose, I love those Korean pop stars perfect noseS). I live in Europe, so is it possible to have everything done by one European surgeon, and leave the nose for a trip to Korea after?

@Shoko, i think you jaw line looks fine, your forehead may just need hair transplant to re-define a more feminine hairline. I don't think a scalp advancement is necessary, because I saw it leaves so obvious scar and some even suffer forehead numb for years. My plan is to come to Turkey for hair and eyebrow transplant ( they are very good at that and price is amongst most reasonable one in Europe ) , then FFS ( haven't decided with whom yet), then nose in Korea.

Paula1 I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you, that would really make me upset!  I hope everything gets sorted out this spring!

As for having a nose done in S. Korea, well that's where I had mine done and I think it was a disaster although I did do a lot of research beforehand.  Maybe it was because I was still presenting male and they only care about women patients or something I don't know.  Please do tell me about hair transplants in Turkey, though.  I certainly will need it and hope to save some money.  Thanks for the input!

Thanks honeybun ...

I do have every confidence in them after many hours of consultation both here in the UK and Spain.

Also they have performed many procedures on us women and I have really liked their results.

They said that all my problems begun in 2004 but 2014 has not helped, so it's a complex reconstruction.

Simon Eccles is a lovely man ( we got on very well ) but his expertise in FFS is clearly lacking.

My friends think that he was experimenting/learning on me, bit like the original surgeon in Chicago ( I was one of his early and I believe first UK patient )

Merry Christmas and take care

Paula

Quote from: Lagertha on December 25, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
I sincerely hope and wish they will be up to the task, and finally for the last time resolve your forehead issue. It is beyond my understanding what your previous surgeon tried to achieve with his revision attempt. I certainly wish you all the luck and satisfying result.

Many thanks my dear ..

Have a lovely festive season.

Paula

Quote from: shoko on December 26, 2015, 01:05:10 AM
Paula1 I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you, that would really make me upset!  I hope everything gets sorted out this spring!

Quote from: asianfever203 on December 25, 2015, 11:36:20 PM
Thanks god , Shoko brought up this topic again. I was asking about asian FFS earlier as well, was mostly concerned about nose, because I tend to have it done separately in Korea where they are expert in natural asian rhinoplasty ( we mostly have problem with big flat nose, I love those Korean pop stars perfect noseS). I live in Europe, so is it possible to have everything done by one European surgeon, and leave the nose for a trip to Korea after?

Hiya, I'm Asian too. I remember seeing your first post when I searched the boards! Good to see you're still here!

From what I've read and seen, for European faces, it's important to do nose with forehead, as their high nasal bridge and radix would need to be aligned with the flattened forehead. I think it's no problem for Asian MTFs, as our nasal bone (and radix) is usually very low anyway and by removing the masculine brow ridge of the forehead, the two features will align together. If you do your nose separately, I don't think any of the subsequent feminizing changes that Asian MTFs usually want would affect that alignment. Even if you're thinking about raising the nasal bridge slightly, I still think it is no problem since Asian females do that without changing their forehead in most cases.

Quote from: shoko on December 26, 2015, 01:05:10 AM
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Please do tell me about hair transplants in Turkey, though.  I certainly will need it and hope to save some money.  Thanks for the input!

I don't know about Turkey, but I had hair implants while I was in Buenos Aires.  They were very reasonable. , especially when compared to US / Canadian prices.    Even with airfare, a week apt rental, the cost is less than US.

Quote from: maquillage on December 26, 2015, 04:33:34 AM
Hiya, I'm Asian too. I remember seeing your first post when I searched the boards! Good to see you're still here!

From what I've read and seen, for European faces, it's important to do nose with forehead, as their high nasal bridge and radix would need to be aligned with the flattened forehead. I think it's no problem for Asian MTFs, as our nasal bone (and radix) is usually very low anyway and by removing the masculine brow ridge of the forehead, the two features will align together. If you do your nose separately, I don't think any of the subsequent feminizing changes that Asian MTFs usually want would affect that alignment. Even if you're thinking about raising the nasal bridge slightly, I still think it is no problem since Asian females do that without changing their forehead in most cases.

Yup! true for me too, I'm not sure about other Asian with high nose bridge... but in my case, I have no sign of nose bridge at all haha. It's good to take into consideration, but most asian girls in town have nose jobs without worrying about their forehead.

Shoko, you can google  list of the world best hair transplant surgeons, these are many options you choose from, I pick Turkey, cuz its close to me and have reasonable price.

Quote from: Paula1 on December 25, 2015, 02:18:19 PM
So what, I don't care after seeing many of their results in the flesh.

As a result the NHS are paying Facial Team for my complex forehead reconstruction, as it is functional.

However I am paying for the cosmetic revision rhinoplasty and cosmetic secondary upper lip lift which were not touched by him.

If you do not mind, how much are you paying for the revision rhinoplasty ?    Any idea how long that portion of the surgery might take ?

Hiya,

I'll send you a private message.

Hugs

Paula

Quote from: myfairlady49 on December 27, 2015, 01:18:11 AM
If you do not mind, how much are you paying for the revision rhinoplasty ?    Any idea how long that portion of the surgery might take ?

 

While I appreciate that the FFS section is needed and welcomed I am sick of people Doctor or team bashing.

I will also remind people that if they are employed or have an association with a FFS team that it HAS to be declared.

Otherwise your opinion is dishonest and a disservice to vulnerable people.

I will not allow that.

I will suspend accounts until such a time that the person responds with proof of their relationship to FFS teams. I give people 24 hours to respond.

Cindy
Forum Admin

Does anyone know how Dr. Noorman van der Dussen compares price wise to Facial Team?

Quote from: shoko on December 29, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Does anyone know how Dr. Noorman van der Dussen compares price wise to Facial Team?

You could have a look here:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138066.msg1143163.html#msg1143163

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,200480.msg1782877.html#msg1782877

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=190455.0


hugs

Quote from: Laura_7 on December 29, 2015, 12:54:54 PM
You could have a look here:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138066.msg1143163.html#msg1143163

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,200480.msg1782877.html#msg1782877

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=190455.0


hugs

As usual, you rock

I hope I can get an early spring with FT

Confirmed for March with Facial Team!

Quote from: shoko on January 28, 2016, 01:25:28 AM
Confirmed for March with Facial Team!

Congrats!!! I'm so excited and happy for you. Glad you could get an early date!

Quote from: Lagertha on December 25, 2015, 01:42:36 PM
None of facial team surgeons is craniofacial surgeon. Lets be honest here, dr. Capitan and dr. Simon have dental surgery background and specialization in oral & maxillofacial surgery

That's true. None of them are craniofacial.

Optionally to face Asian standard, I would choose Suporn or Chettawutt in Thailand.

Here we go again.

More negativity on Facial Team

I suggest that anyone considering FFS should look at Facial Team's results:

http://facialteam.eu/facial-feminization-surgery-before-after/

and check out their credentials.

http://facialteam.eu/facial-feminization-surgery/dr-luis-miguel-capitan-canadas/

http://facialteam.eu/facial-feminization-surgery/dr-daniel-simon/

http://facialteam.eu/raul-jimenez-bellinga-md-feboms/

http://facialteam.eu/new-research-and-development-department/

Judging from the FT patients who come on here with their results, they look pretty darn good to me.

I am trusting them with my face in April after one of the world's top craniofacial surgeons could not get my forehead completely right and those who have seen all my threads will know about that.

Quote from: jhulyglow on January 28, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
That's true. None of them are craniofacial.