even though we told you its an act and his real self is a red blooded conservative?
its like beliveing sly stalone is really a cold blooded killer and special forces veteran...

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Quote from: Rachael on December 29, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
even though we told you its an act and his real self is a red blooded conservative?
its like beliveing sly stalone is really a cold blooded killer and special forces veteran...

R

I have heard him speak.
He is featured in Bowling for Columbine.
I assure you he is NOT a red-blooded conservative.
Maybe on some issues..
And yes, I feel he could be..

he showed sense and compassion and also didnt perform a concert that could get him bad press and loose him money...? totally not a conservative and obviously trans....
by saying he could be, your saying any andro goth male could be trans...major fail at assumption... your yardstick is broken... infact, i doubt you have one, your just wishing, or dreaming... why? i dont care to find out.
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Quote from: Rachael on December 29, 2007, 10:40:02 PM
he showed sense and compassion and also didnt perform a concert that could get him bad press and loose him money...? totally not a conservative and obviously trans....
by saying he could be, your saying any andro goth male could be trans...major fail at assumption... your yardstick is broken... infact, i doubt you have one, your just wishing, or dreaming... why? i dont care to find out.
R

No I am not saying that.
The hell are you getting so riled up bout Marylin Manson For?

You gave me a -1 knock for "steriotypes without any actual evidence."

I'm not sterotyping.

I ACTUALLY FEEL He MIGHT BE.

IF you don't like that tough beans.

I NEVER SAID HE WAS.
That is not sterotyping and I am entitled to my own intuition.

You don't have to agree with it.

I am reporting you to an admin.

feel free... ive done nothing wrong....
its not intuition when you guess btw
your exactly the sort of person that got larry wachowski into so much dramaz!
you maintain your stuborn view dispite out informing you of his true self behind his performers mask... his character, marylyn manson MIGHT... yeah, but the man himself has absolutely no hints whatsoever.... and if your suposition, and thats what it is, balences on his choice of act... well get a life...
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Ok..
Back on Topic:
Famous or historic Trans. People..

What about like the Egyptian Gods or something like that?

I know some religions, historical, or otherwise have trans. Gods/etc.

In Buddhism, different Bhodisatvas are portrayed as Androgyne, Such as Avalokiteshrara (Kanzeon, Kwan Yin, etc.) as to portray a neutral or aspect that is both feminine and masculine.

For instance, some statures may have a female body but have a mustache.

common problem... i hear boots sell wax for that problem...
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Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 11:16:16 PM
Ok..
Back on Topic:
Famous or historic Trans. People..

What about like the Egyptian Gods or something like that?

Hermaphroditos, Agdistis, Erotes, Saadaya, Asgaya, Gigagei, Awonawilona, etc..

By definition, gods are not people.  Second, most tend to be beyond gender.  Third, where they have gender, you need to begin by noting if the religion in question was one of gods, or goddesses.  (Fourth, being so far removed from the culture of the High Nile, (old Egypt) we have less than zero idea of what they were thinking in the first place.)

Let's get back to real people.  And, at that, let's do successful people.  God knows, failure is as common on this earth as dirt and water.

Ah yes, you are probably right.

I just remembered Pete Burns, the lead singer from Dead Or Alive (You Spin Me Round). He had ALOT of FFS you can tell, and a boob job, but still maintains a deep voice. Do a search on youtube, VERY interesting things said like "I'm this way because I need to be, not to shock people".

Quote from: Christine Eryn on December 30, 2007, 03:37:30 AM
I just remembered Pete Burns, the lead singer from Dead Or Alive (You Spin Me Round). He had ALOT of FFS you can tell, and a boob job, but still maintains a deep voice. Do a search on youtube, VERY interesting things said like "I'm this way because I need to be, not to shock people".

Pete Burns has not had a boob job. He has said on many TV shows that he is not transsexual. I have seen him with his shirt off and has a very flat toned male torso with no signs of hormone manipulation. He wants to look feminine but he does not want a sex change and is not a transsexual. Please don't confuse the thread

Juliania?

And pete burns isnt trans, he has no boobjob, and revels in showing off his female face and male body, hes a gay man that did the whole thing for lulz, and hes a bottom... other than crossdressing, he has no transesexual desire ... and i LOVE his accent and voice its just, so hilarious to hear coming out of that mouth... that, huge, puffy mouth ><
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Quote from: Sarah on December 29, 2007, 09:30:46 PM
He may be.

The thing is, When you dress that way on stage, it is an act, when it's everyday, all the time, it makes you wonder.
Being married has nothing to do with it. And as far as I know neither does being Goth.
He certainly crossdresses on a regular basis, and as far as I know that may continue off stage.
Have you ever seen a picture of him anywhere where he was not portraying himself (or maybe herself) as feminine?
I havn't. That doesn't mean he isn't androgyne, but it doesn't mean he couldn't be trans either.

One could also be saying that it's just an act, and the general public would accept that, and even think it was cool due to the shock value. If the person said they were actually trans, their acceptance level would likely plummet. Due to homophobia and transphobia, a trans performer could feel they needed to keep who they really were closeted.

y2g

and a secretly trans performer wouldnt give such obvious 'clues' to out them....
R

Hiding in plain site is a very effective strategy.

"oh its just an act" could allow someone to express themself publicly and otherwise without giving themself away.

It would be quite effective.

Sort of like figureskating :"I'm not completely sexual, I just dress up in a leotard, and makup and have my friend skate arround groping me in the crotch...Its a sport!" Yeah, it is... And it is  not hockey...

There are plenty of people who do it as a sport and for the love of dance, and, some find it erotic in addition to that..
There's nothing wrong with that, but people do often find ways to express themselves in socially accepted ways.
It doesn't mean everyone who does___________ is like that, it does mean that it is possible that some might be.

Most male ballerinas are gay even though some might not be.

what the fruitcage are you talking about? thats loopyer than a DNA helix.... interesting analogy, but i do feel that it is highly speculative... you realise how HARD figure skating is? and to that point, its a fetish you described, yet the ones being tossed,a nd grabbed are the women. women generally dont have fetishes... according to some git i forget the name of...
anyway, regardless, this topic is about CONFIRMED famous trans people, if you want to speculate, start a new thread, otherwise, stick to the topic at hand...
R

"general public would accept that"  I'm pretty sure that is the last thing MM wants.  Back when he toured the Antichrist Superstar record in the mid-90s there were protests at almost every concert site by church groups.  They loved it.  It got them on the news every night, and in the shockrock biz, any coverage is good coverage.

How about Holly Woodlawn (so famous she got a Lou Reed lyric about her - "Holly came from Miami FLA, / hitch-hiked her way across the USA, / plucked her eyebrows on the way, / shaved her legs, and then he was a she...).

or Billy Tipton, who had a real interesting life, and Sylvia Rae Rivera.

Gwen Araujo, transsexual student killed by transphobic a-holes
Chi Chi LaRue, movie director
Michelle Josef, Canadian musician
Mimi Marks, entertainer
Alexis Arquette, actor & musician
Buck Angel, first female to male porn star
Courtney Act, Australian singer
Leslie Feinberg, transgender activist
Harisu, model
Deirdre McCloskey, economist
Jan Morris, British writer
Paul O'Grady, comedian
Rachel Pollack, writer
Jennifer Diane Reitz, computer programmer

paul o grady is trans?