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Where do you see your identity as a woman?

Started by Natasha, December 31, 2007, 12:52:35 PM

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Natasha

equal opportunities/rights have helped change the financial & social structure; hence gender roles are changing more and more.

while "overthrowing" (patriarchy) is required, it is not all we need for success. We need a new sense of identity to replace the old with.  moving as close as we can to being a man is certainly not to have our own identity, neither is keeping our old role as women.

i see women having added on new roles (financial independence) while continuing to play the old roles (housewife etc), adding extra pressure to be a superwoman. i also see a lot of women who want to be men. (and i'm not talking about gender issues here) tsk tsk tsk..

Where do you see your identity as a woman?  thoughts? ideas? rants?
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Dorothy

I base my identity on being an individual human being,  not necessarily the fact that I refuse to fall into the traditional role for women.

I'm a person who loves new age music, green tea, books, coffee shops, and nature.  I have no desire to adopt any kids in the future, and I refuse to submit to anyone. I'm perfectly capable of opening my own doors, and if someone is behind me, I'll hold it for them as well, regardless of gender. I don't expect the guy to pay for everything, because I like treating him to dinner and a movie as well. I work for my living, and don't live off of any man. I'm not a manly woman, nor do I have any desire to act like one because I'm comfortable with who I am.

I value my independence, individuality, and the fact that I have choices in life. I'm not interested in comparing myself to anyone, or trying to be someone I'm not. That's how I identify myself.
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Cire

I agree. Identity as a something isn't me. I'm me per me.

I don't have an identity as a woman, I have an identity. That identity is a small bit defined by being female, but there are thousands of other issues.
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Kate

I agree with Pia and Cire. I don't really have an "identity as a woman," but really just as Kate... who, as I like to say, just HAPPENS TO BE a woman as one facet of Who She Is.

I'm no feminist, although I do "identify with" the feminine, mystical and intuitive aspects of this world. But that's a personal thing, not a political one.

But I'll submit to no man either, seeing us as different - yet equally worthy.

I DO want a child, but not as a "womanly obligation." I just think raising a child is a beautiful thing to do.

So I dunno how to answer this really. I'm also only half a year or so into living as Kate, so I'm still figuring out my place in the world. I'm still living within HIS life, his creations and relationships to a large extent... and I just don't know yet how much of that is still ME, and how much is going to melt away as time goes on now. I suspect that "who I am" in a few years will be very, very different than who I am now.

~Kate~
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NicholeW.

I really would like to have some kind of pat answer for that question. Trouble with that is that it seems to change with the extent of the living I do.

I have no interest in forming anything beyond work interactions and maybe friendships with men. I suppose that in some way that allows a man to define me. But, mostly I see that as my own reaction and preference for the company of other women.

Do I want some guy to 'take care of me?' No, why would I need that? Haven't had it since I left my father's house at 18. Except for car mechanics, postmen, road-builders. Okay, so I do need men and am happy that they do care for me, even though they don't know my name.

Do I want some other woman to 'take care of me?' Not financially. But I do share my life with another woman and we do communicate and commune rather intimately and in that regard, yes I do want to be cared for by her.

I enjoy 'being-in-relationship' with other human beings. I am very pleased that our current cultural model provides women with 'nurturing' responsibilities. I am also glad that more and more men are being allowed to be 'nurturers' as well. My personal take is that absent social pressure and standards all people are basically nurturers; that it is a biological imperative within us.

Each of us is 'me + at least one other' and, generally speaking, we are me + many others. If life were simply me I would have died almost immediately I was born, and most assuredly long before now.

I think Natasha is spot-on when she says that women are generally given the burden of both provision and nurturing and maintaining relationship within our current culture. It's an almost impossible task, but one that circumstance causes many of us to have to fulfill. We have children and partners and families.

I would like to be able to walk a street at any hour without having to be alert to my vulnerability due to the simple fact of gender.

I refuse, simply because I find it the ultimate foolishness, to say that I am some sort of abstracted 'ego' who can live totally independently from others. Neither do I believe that anyone else can either, regardless what they may think.

I think that the discounting of 'women's ways of knowing' has made a world in which 'ego' thrives, but only because there are those among us who maintain and cherish relationship and connection and ease the way to community, whether it be employment, personal interactions or any other aspect of society and culture. That, in my mind, allows some to extol their own sense that they can live without others.

The disconnections we are taught to make between ourselves and others generally allow us to gloss over the profound interdependency we are all living in.

That is me as a person. That I am a woman possibly lends itself to my being comfortable with that fact. As a man, I think that I would have had to deny that fact in favor of being 'successful,' i.e. self-made. (Which is a nice trick if you can do it. I have just never been aware that any human has done it.)

The trouble with 'patriarchy' is that it has consistently, persistently and implacably insisted that humans are exactly like its "God," one-with-no-second. One born from itself from nothingness. Well nothingness is nothing. Nothing engenders nothingness, not God. 

That is the 'big lie' of patriarchy that requires being exposed for what it is: a ridiculous and impossible possibility that has created untold suffering and sorrow and probably was born from a profound feeling of unimportance and second-bestism by some priest (whose name is lost in the dim mists of prehistory) who couldn't have a baby on his own.

I simply think it's time we all awoke to that realization and make the changes necessary to have a bit healthier society and culture. One that, unlike Kronos and Moloch, doesn't eat its children.

It seems to me that Feminism is just another name for Humanism and striving to realize the importance of us all.

Please remove the soapbox. I'm done. *smile*

Nichole


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stephm

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Robin_p

Quote from: Kate on December 31, 2007, 05:12:17 PM

I'm still living within HIS life, his creations and relationships to a large extent... and I just don't know yet how much of that is still ME, and how much is going to melt away as time goes on now. I suspect that "who I am" in a few years will be very, very different than who I am now.

~Kate~



Everything is still changing especially the relationship and how i react.. (you can borrow my children any time)

When i dreamed of being someone else i was lost. I found myself and getting to know me.
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SusanK

Quote from: Natasha on December 31, 2007, 12:52:35 PM
Where do you see your identity as a woman?  thoughts? ideas? rants?

Hmmm..., let me see..., No, please wait, I'm thinking... Me..., that's a tough one. Well, ok, I see myself as who I am, a woman (ok, if you must for a label, transwoman) doing what I've always done, proud of what I've accomplished being male or female, and free to continue life as me. Surprisingly, photographers don't care what sex or gender you are, or at least the good ones, as long as you're a good photographer and good person.

Consider Alexandra Boulet and her images. Does the world care about her gender?  Or about her ability and her images? And standing behind my 4x5 camera, no one seems to think about me, just the camera and what I'm doing with that old-type camera, or behind my 35mm camera(s) photographing an event or some such endeavor or adventure, no one seems to care, except the occasional transient or angry citizen.

Gender identity is just one facet of ourselves, along with our personality, temperament, experience, knowledge, intelligence, sexuality, and on and on. Changing the gender doesn't change the insides all that much, only the public expression and presentation.

--Susan--
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Yvonne

I've met quite a few manly women. I'm extremely unimpressed. Ok, obviously they aren't trying to impress. But still, I would never have a poser as a friend.

There's much to be admired about a woman who is comfortable being a woman. And is confident and powerful in her femininity.

And I'm not talking about gender roles. I mean the apathy or fear of taking part in one of the greatest parts of life. Loving, sexual, and engaging relationships. Sure it takes some effort and some mistakes to get it right, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. The rewards far outweigh the risks.

Saying things like "I don't need a man." Just tells me that peeps are still maturing and they may figure it out one day. Nobody ever needs a man or woman. That's obvious and there's no need to say it, but it's well worth finding one that increases your enjoyment of life.
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IsabelleStPierre

Greetings Everyone,

I've been watching this thread since it was started...but wanted to give it some thought, for while seems like a fairly straight forward question, it's not really.

So, where do I see my identity as a woman? Hum...I am really just me, but at the same time I do tend to be a girly girl. I enjoy looking my best and making the men drool as I glide past them...I am confident within my self and self sufficient, independent and all that, can open my own doors, but will admit that I don't mind one bit when someone opens the door for me...I'll also hold the door for someone else too....but I enjoy it when a guy feels the need to rush ahead of me...that doesn't make me any less female or anything in my opinion...

I have worked hard to be accepted as a female...and to me I enjoy it to no end. There isn't any rule that says you can't have it both ways...at least not that I'm aware of...

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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Lisbeth

In my constellation of identities, I include being a Postmodern Feminist.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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tinkerbell

I believe that comparing yourself with others doesn't help you realize your own identity. Knowing who you are, what you are capable of and realizing your possibilities/potential will make you understand your true identity.
I think one big problem with women issues is that we always try to be equal to men. I actually believe that we should be looking for our own place and not compete against men at all times.

I guess I am myself all the time although some people will believe that I am emulating women in some respect.  Well, how do genetic girls become women?  do they follow their own heart or do they learn to be women from their female peers?  Personally, I think that they learn to be women from other women in their family/society and then they take what they need in order to build their own identity as grown up women.  I guess that's how I identify myself.  Just as any other girl who is learning/has learned to be herself by following the example of other women in my family/society.

tink :icon_chick:
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Keira


Tink,
Women do form their identity from women around them, but not carreer wise, that's gone.
So, indeed they are taking much of that part of identity from society at large which
was defined by men (man's world) while before they were not expected to fit in there
so they did not have to. With time, this man's world has slowly become a blended
world that reflects both male and female identity and has become a greater influence
on what is expected of men and women. This process is ongoing and not yet finished.
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Berliegh

Re: Where do you see your identity as a woman?
slightly fat and middle aged...
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Valentina

I identify as a career woman-to-be — not to meet anyone's approval, but just because that's what I want from life.
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BCL

I dont identify, I am.

It says so on my birth certificate.

Rebecca
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