I have been told a few times now that me coming out as transgender is wrong and that I'm going to be sent to hell and I'm just confused and that the devil is making me transgender so I should just go back into the closet and never come back out. It hurts to hear others tell me that I'm just having a crisis of faith, or I'm confused, or you are just on the wrong path and god is testing you when it's clear the person saying these things aren't listing to me. I'm not a religious person and I never will be. I was raised without religion of any kind and now not only am I being pressured into having it but also into denying what I am. I really hate being told I don't know any better and I don't think they realize the more they tell me I'm wrong the angrier I get. They say "we are doing this because we love you and want you to be happy." and my response is.  "No your not." and them I stop talking to them ever again. I'm losing a lot of people I thought were my friends this way....the Ironic thing is my husband and my sister are the only one's who is happy for me and support me in this and it makes me think....are those the only people who actually care?

I didn't make the wrong choice to come out. I'm not confused but I am afraid. I'm frightened by other people and what they might do to me because I'm different. There have been horrible atrocities done to those who are different...

 

Big hug! The devil doesn't make you transgender......the Devyl does!    You can't force people to accept you, but you can ignore them. You're not doing this for anyone but yourself, don't let people get under your skin. It's not their issue to deal with.

Hugs, Devlyn

I have no time for people who try to run me down and tell me that I had been born a man (almost typed in woman!) and God doesn't make mistakes. They are not what I would call true Christians. In fact, I had this very discussion with someone on Saturday. They can say what they like, but I became this way for a reason and no matter if I am a man or a woman, in my Christian religion I was told, and believe, that my God made me this way and I am loved by Him and by Jesus. Jesus didn't pick and choose whom He loved, He even loved the tax collectors! That's all that matters to me.

You just be yourself and don't worry about those who think they are better than you. Doesn't it say in the Bible, he who is without sin may cast the first stone? Those people are not perfect and they don't know anything more about the future or what plans are in store for you than the next person.

Love,
Clare

I feel so so so sorry and sad for you and it is so horrible that you have to go through that. What people are saying about you seriously annoys me because they are not preaching, or telling you any religion. The word of God is kindness, respect, and faith and honestly kindness is not denying your friendship over being transgender! Good luck to you, and I am truly sorry for all that you have to go through.


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Quote from: Sora on February 16, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
I have been told a few times now that me coming out as transgender is wrong and that I'm going to be sent to hell and I'm just confused and that the devil is making me transgender so I should just go back into the closet and never come back out.

This is RUDE. Telling someone they disapprove of any aspect of their life without their opinion being sought is anti-social and inconsiderate (to say the least).

Feel free to tell them "you're being rude, I didn't ask your opinion."

Hugs, Sora. You don't deserve this. I hope you can hold your head high and realize you're a nicer person than they'll ever be.

Just think of them as having the mentality of a small child, which they do.  Take their opinion as you would take one from a six year old and then dismiss them as such.


Sapere Aude

Hello and welcome 

Try to relax.

This might help you :
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,204280.msg1816209.html#msg1816209

There are studies showing being transgdender has biological connections.
Its literally a womens brain in a mans body.

Understanding of people is like with seizures.
A time ago people thought seizures are possessions.
But its a biological thing, and there are remedies.

The same is true for transgender people.

Birth conditions happen and its nobodys fault.
And religion has nothing to do with it.
People are called to help each other in love.

The recognized remedy is to transition, as the transgender person feels is necessary.
There is a spectrum of severity and thus not only one way to transition.

You might look for other transgender people, there might be support groups or events at lgbt centers.
There might be also meetups.
And there is a chat on susans.


hugs

Hi

I had the same bigots throwing religion in front of me at multiple times in my life. I was told that the devil made me trans and I tried to make a deal with the devil at one stage that I can just wake up as a girl the next morning to rid me of the pain.

As a teen they tried to drive deamons out of me because you they made me want to be a girl to go against Gods work. His plan and I am still trans too this day and busy transitioning.

It is a biological thing hun. I had a lady that I know a couple of months back telling me I must lay it at Gods feet and that will cure me and accept my body as it is.

We are just trans there is no demons and funy stuff. Some people just can't wrap their head around it or understand it their scope of understanding does not allow it. They are the sheep people and everything that seems unusual to them is the from the devil.

They are just trying to scare you I have been there. Don't let people like that get to you just because they are uncomfortable with themselves.

I think that the only "sin" (if we want to use such term) is to miss to blossom in what we are\as we are.

I find something very Divine in my transgender feelings.

A flower blossoms because it's in its own intrinsical nature, not because it is following some moral invented by someone else, it just does it without asking any permission.

We, as human beings, have the chance to discover our own true nature, and the right to do wathever is good for us to live according to what we see as True. And to fulfill ourselves according with this truthfulness we have consciously found.

This, to me, is Divine.


Aly

I am currently dealing with this as we speak.  I have been active in church all my life.  My parents are pastors.  I was drilled into my head growing up that trans person were sick and perverted. 

Tonight, I go before my church board (the same one I was a part of until I was asked to step down from) and tell them my story.    My pastor and asst pastor don't agree with me, but "want to walk along side me" and even say that they "pray I change my mind". 

At the end of my story, my wife and I are telling them that we are leaving.  End of story.

I know I am and I know what I believe.  Hopefully my words will open their hearts and minds for someone like me in the future. 

everyone you have been so great! you made me feel so much better and to show my gratitude here is a kitten getting booped on the nose. I fine cute animals to make me feel better as well.

I usually don't interfere with religious topics nor am i Christian. When people preach hate it shows how ignorant they are. Jesus preached love and tolerance not hate.

What I have found for myself is to avoid the people that cause guilt and pain and gravitate to those that are accepting and wonderful. I do not invest a lot of emotional energy or space in my head for those that are not supportive. I choose who I associate with not the other way around. You are in control with and whom you associate with. I do not try to convince others to think another way nor do I accept being told what to think. I will not try to make everybody agree with my path.  This has taken me a long time to learn.

There are exceptions
My boss tried to talk me out of HRT and expressing. He actually stalled my coming out about 9 months. We had to have a business plan with HR and develop an elaborate coming out process. I can not choose to not relate, communicate and be pleasant and sociable with my boss. He is my boss and not my friend and he can make my life difficult so politics sometime can make or break a job.

You are very lucky to have support from your husband and sister. Transition is very stressful and having support at home makes a huge difference.

You are

My brother is the only one that told me flat out I'm wrong and I will change my mind.....

How does one know what's right or wrong?

Sora, I know it can be frustrating as you lose people around you. Friends who truly care about you will stay by your side.  I'm glad you have some that have stuck by your side. Being trans isn't a sin so you won't go to hell. Hugs
Mariah

Hugs girl.  There are all kinds of "Christians" who will pass judgment on you as they do on me.  Apparently they have not learned many of the lessons that Christ provided for his followers.  These "Christians" forget that it is not their place to judge.  Many of them love to mix and match biblical passages to serve their judgmental needs.  They will selectively cite Old Testament passages but omit and ignore similar passages that condemn things that they do on a regular basis.  In the end, I have no time for "Christians" who are not followers of Christ.  There is only one who gets to judge me.  Until that time I try to be the best person I can be and know, that as a human, I am fallen but I continue to pray for the forgiveness that has been promised by God who gave his son so that we can have everlasting life if we believe in him.       

Hi Sora,

So I've been told I'd go to hell by my own parents who are basically born-again Christians who have plenty of born-again Christian family and friends. Since I've been chastised and turned away by my own parents, I created my own network of close friends whom I'm proud to call my family. My ex wife and her family are also similar to my parents. They've turned their backs on me as well. If it weren't for my friends, I'd probably end up feeling really depressed, so I'm glad I have my own support network. I've tried to convince my parents and ex-in-laws that there is a biological basis to all of this, but they don't want to listen. I've even shown them medical proof in the form of my X-rays which doctors have stated clearly show me having a female-shaped pelvis, but this didn't change my parents or ex-in-laws minds, either. It doesn't matter. People want to believe what they want to believe and it's very difficult to change certain people who are set in their ways.

For people who've never met me before and I reveal to them my past, most are astounded and want to learn more. They tell me that what I've done makes sense because I look like I was born female. While that certainly feels good and validates me in a sense, it would be nice to have my parents or ex-in-laws be a part of that group.

Some people try to console me by saying, "Oh, don't worry, they're your parents. They'll come around eventually," but they don't understand that my parents are the stubborn Chinese types that never forgive, never forget, and will hate someone until the day they die.

Religion......

It's not spirituality. Some may find it as a path to spiritual things, but in itself, a set of cultural traditions and beliefs handed down through generations, it's a place where old, ignorant, bigoted attitudes can persist from previous generations.

And when it comes to spirit, and where it is and going in this universe, who is anyone to say anything about your spirit? Judgement is the PINNACLE of ignorance, those who judge, fear.

There have been a great many very wise prophets throughout history, pretty much all of them say it is not our place to judge others. And that the only gateway to hell is the judgement of ourselves. Nobody but me can place me in hell.... or heaven.

We are sovereign, independent spirits, our only master is the universe itself and it's mysterious "rules" that arrogant science claims to understand. For even science itself can be a religion, and I have heard ignorance from atheists as well. Science has a bad habit of purely identifying with matter only, which only is a small portion of the universe, it is blind to spirit.

You, me, everyone. We are ancient spirits who have taken many forms, and will take many more. It is in the variety of vessels we inhabit, the vehicles we pilot........

(arrrrgh!!!!... I get distracted and complete LOSE my train of thought, dang, post dosent make sense now frustrated)  the cat interruped me and it wa slike a screech across a record, hate it when that happens..... dang!

I'm an atheist, with a lot of fundie Christian relatives. I've had good and bad experiences with them when it comes to being transgender. My conservative grandparents have been wonderful about it - my preacher brother has stopped talking to me because I'm a servant of the devil. I've also got a lot of trash talk from people who would otherwise describe themselves as liberal, progressive, non-religious, etc. All I can say is, people come in all kind of flavours. And whatever their problems are with me, it ain't my problem at the end of the day.

You should ask them which bit of the Bible specifically says being transgender is wrong.