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Started by Tyr, February 19, 2016, 11:32:20 PM

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Tyr

Hello! I felt like sharing a little story about what happened in my Social Problems in Today's World (Sociology) class yesterday evening. We just reached chapter 3, which is gender, and I noticed that it didn't mention transgenders. I proceeded to look into the "sexual" section and noticed that we were mentioned there (not sure why). I decided to bring this up with the professor, and she felt it was odd as well, and it opened up a discussion on transgenders, and namely, Caitlyn Jenner. The professor proclaimed that she was going to be very careful while discussing gender as not to offend anyone, and then she immediately starts referring to Caitlyn Jenner as "him" and "he". :eusa_wall: I quickly said something about Caitlyn Jenner and made sure to enunciate on the word "she", as did another student, which prompted the professor to start using the correct pronouns.  :eusa_clap: Then, one student asked why we call her a "she" when she still hasn't had the surgery, and I quickly refuted by saying that the surgery was just the last step or the final process and that it doesn't make a transgender. I said this is why I get upset when people want to change "LGBT" to "LGBI" since they claim being transgender is a "choice" since we have surgery. It saddens me that people see the surgery as the problem as opposed to the solution like it really is.

Thanks for reading!,
Tyr
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Ms Grace

Good on you! I imagine gender studies at university/college/wherever is a bit more advanced than in my day (1985) when the only discussion of trans issues was a denigrating aside during a lecture on something unrelated.
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Cindy

Thank you!

It is wonderful when we do engage and educate people. That is how we gain acceptance.
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suzifrommd

Thanks for speaking up Tyr.

May I take issue with something that was said?

Quote from: Tyr on February 19, 2016, 11:32:20 PM
surgery was just the last step or the final process

I would claim surgery is not a step at all or in any way part of the process. It is something that some trans people need and others don't and is not related to transition, pronouns, gender markers, etc.

The year of fulltime living after which someone is eligible for surgery helps fuel the misconception that it's somehow intricately involved with living as our true selves. I don't think it is. Millions of trans people live as themselves without ever getting surgery.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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purplewuggybird

I was defiantly not the teacher nor the student being mean, rather a society of misunderstandings. Great job for calmly and constructively teaching your class about the community!!!!


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Alycya

Nice message :)

It's pretty weird how people usually consider genitalia some very "special" organs.

Lungs, heart, liver, genitalia ... those are just body organs, no one of them *alone* can define any quality of the whole human being; moreover: human beings are more than the summation of the single components of their bodies.

Nobody would ever say that a someone with an artificial heart is no more a human being, or that they won't be no more able to love without a biologic heart. And\or nobody would ever say that someone with a biologic heart is more human than someone with an artificial one.

... just when gender is involved "organs" issues arise, really a very odd thing.

:)

Hugs
Aly
"Know masculinity, maintain femininity, and be a ravine for all under heaven" - Lao Tzu

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Amy413

There are some sub-cultures in the world that see "men appearing as women", as they say, to be a prophetic sign of impending doom. This is the problem with archaic belief systems, they invent things like harbingers. This plants an unconscious fear in the subscribers to that belief system. To them using specific a pronoun means the apocalypse might happen, and the nature of time and reality will unravel.

People have a tendency to just use the surface, literal interpretation. We are just our physical bodies, that's all. What we consider awareness, consciousness, is simple some after effect of neural activity. There is no such things as a "spirit" or "soul". And even many who say they believe in a spirit or soul only do so in name and they have no mental construct to visualize it. To them the physical body and the spirit are exactly the same thing.

I call this "matter primary". The belief that the universe is matter FIRST and "energy", "spirit" are mere side effects, leaking off that matter.
It is being found though that "matter" is but a small subset of energy. That it is the various energies in the universe and how they interact that condense that energy into what we call "matter". It's what they are spending all that money on at CERN in Geneva. years ago guys like Einstein and Tesla had some interesting things to say. We are still trying to figure out their ideas.

But this "matter first", literal approach to things?
That is why some have trouble using the proper pronoun.
We have a society based on ignorant, outdated science.

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Amy413

And if only Catyln didn't get mixed up with that reality show family.
I think it's the "k's" giving her a bad rep.
But I'm not a fan of reality shows.

Catyln is great!

Kim and her sisters?
nah....

You have to be careful who you are hanging out with if you jump on a public stage. The Kardashians are not universally popular.
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Tyr

Quote from: suzifrommd on February 20, 2016, 05:14:06 AM
Thanks for speaking up Tyr.

May I take issue with something that was said?

I would claim surgery is not a step at all or in any way part of the process. It is something that some trans people need and others don't and is not related to transition, pronouns, gender markers, etc.

The year of fulltime living after which someone is eligible for surgery helps fuel the misconception that it's somehow intricately involved with living as our true selves. I don't think it is. Millions of trans people live as themselves without ever getting surgery.

I understand that, and I didn't mean to offend. My overall point was that the surgery isn't what makes people Trans. I have very bad social anxiety, and idk if it's related, but I tend to not think of the best thing to say (or NOT to say) until hours after it's been said.
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Tyr

Quote from: Alycya on February 20, 2016, 07:28:57 AM
Nice message :)

It's pretty weird how people usually consider genitalia some very "special" organs.

Lungs, heart, liver, genitalia ... those are just body organs, no one of them *alone* can define any quality of the whole human being; moreover: human beings are more than the summation of the single components of their bodies.

Nobody would ever say that a someone with an artificial heart is no more a human being, or that they won't be no more able to love without a biologic heart. And\or nobody would ever say that someone with a biologic heart is more human than someone with an artificial one.

... just when gender is involved "organs" issues arise, really a very odd thing.

:)

Hugs
Aly

I never looked at it that way, but you have a really great point! Thank you for sharing :)
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Tyr

Quote from: Amy413 on February 20, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
There are some sub-cultures in the world that see "men appearing as women", as they say, to be a prophetic sign of impending doom. This is the problem with archaic belief systems, they invent things like harbingers. This plants an unconscious fear in the subscribers to that belief system. To them using specific a pronoun means the apocalypse might happen, and the nature of time and reality will unravel.

I have family who think this way due to their religious beliefs, and it is very disappointing.
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Peep

Quote from: Alycya on February 20, 2016, 07:28:57 AM
Nice message :)

It's pretty weird how people usually consider genitalia some very "special" organs.

Lungs, heart, liver, genitalia ... those are just body organs, no one of them *alone* can define any quality of the whole human being; moreover: human beings are more than the summation of the single components of their bodies.

Nobody would ever say that a someone with an artificial heart is no more a human being, or that they won't be no more able to love without a biologic heart. And\or nobody would ever say that someone with a biologic heart is more human than someone with an artificial one.

... just when gender is involved "organs" issues arise, really a very odd thing.

:)

Hugs
Aly


Exactly - what about cis men who are circumcised? I guess they're not real penises if they've been surgically altered. :/ But it's common practice in the USA, so if it's common, it's not a mutilation... it's just for hygiene or aesthetics

whereas trans men who have their chest reconstructed... totally different
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lionheart

I've never heard of anyone wanting to change LGBT to LGBI. What would the I stand for?
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Violets

Quote from: lionheart on February 20, 2016, 03:54:26 PM
I've never heard of anyone wanting to change LGBT to LGBI. What would the I stand for?

Intersex


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