People uses difference terms etc. in sentences, in chats etc. So are you picky how people say a sentence and which sentence do you prefer people to use? I'm just curious and therefor I ask you.

Some people says: "He had a gender change" but other says: "He had a sex change". Some says "He had a sex reassignment surgery" and some says: "He had a sex correction" Which one do you prefer to use?

Another thing some people says may be: "She used to be a man", "She was a man in the past", "She was born a boy, but changed her gender to woman"...
And here is the more trans friendly way to say it in my opinion: "She has always been a girl, but were assigned male at birth", "Just because she has XY-chromosome, she's still a girl", "She presented as a boy in the past, but she has always been a girl".
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In some cases people say transsexuals are born in the wrong body. But I don't think we are more in the wrong body than other people who are difference from the society, example birth defect. Right body, wrong developing I think about my transgender case.
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Personally I'm very picky at how people says things and I'm wondering if there are anybody else who are picky. I also wondering which terms you prefer, which you find annoying and which terms you want to change.
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Which do you prefer and why? Here is examples you can answer at.
Gender change VS Sex change VS Sex reassignment surgery VS Sex correction etc...
Used to be a X VS They were born as VS They were assigned X at birth VS They was X in the past etc...
Born in the wrong body VS Trapped VS Developing difference than others VS Brain and body don't match VS Gender identity and sex organs doesn't necessary match etc...

Hi,

i think that sex cannot be changed. Sex is just a vital energy, a life force. Everything is sexual, animal, plants, maybe also stars... Therefore sex is what it is, is part of nature and intrinsic to life itself - it cannot be changed, it can only be transformed into another kind of energy, that we usually call "Love".

Gender change, is more appropriate to me.



Hugs,
Aly

Gender is my head.
Sex is between my legs.

I underwent a Sex Change Operation, not a Lobotomy.

EOM

I think sex change is more accurate. It's already been proven our gender is wired into our brain pre natal but the sex (sexual parts) sometimes doesn't match. So gender can't be changed but the sex can with surgeries.
I believe that we're not born in the wrong body. My body is male because my gender is male; it'll just take some reconfiguring to make me more comfortable. Although it took me years to accept this concept because of society telling me that a womens body must look one way and a man's another.

Quote from: Alycya on February 23, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
Hi,

i think that sex cannot be changed. Sex is just a vital energy, a life force. Everything is sexual, animal, plants, maybe also stars... Therefore sex is what it is, is part of nature and intrinsic to life itself - it cannot be changed, it can only be transformed into another kind of energy, that we usually call "Love".

Gender change, is more appropriate to me.



Hugs,
Aly

Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological.

I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future.

I think people get too bent out of shape over words.
We let some silly word or phrase set us off into whatever craziness.

It's a word, just a noise made by a mouth, or a collection of arbitrarily defined shapes that many people have completely different meaning assigned to.

I'm just getting something "tucked away".
People can use whatever arbitrary thing to describe what I'm doing and why.
I don't owe then a thing. I don't have to explain myself to anyone.
Especially since most folks argue over stupid symantec nonsense.

it's just freakin words.

Gender cannot be changed. It is who you are pre, during and post transition. Whether you do something about it or not is another story.

With regards to sex, I presonally prefer sex reassignment or sex correction to sex change.

Quote from: Ritana on February 23, 2016, 03:04:01 PM
Gender cannot be changed. It is who you are pre, during and post transition. Whether you do something about it or not is another story.

With regards to sex, I presonally prefer sex reassignment or sex correction to sex change.

Not everyone transitions, though. Gender does change for some of us, as well. Here's some reading material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 02:44:59 PM
Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological.

I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future.

I got it.

Of course i didn't mean to affirm that transition is a "gender identity" change.

Simply: the external body appearance changes ---> the external body appearance can be related to a "gender".

Sex doesn't mean "genitalia", sex is not a "thing", it's something that happens, and it happens because it's something intrinsic to life.

You may change the form of a lamp, but the light that the new lamp will spread out will be still "light".

Sex, as light, is a phenomenon which happens... it's not a "thing", an object.

BTW, personally i don't mind too much at words, labels and definitions - the most important thing is the better quality of life that transition might lead to...

The label that we put on the bottle does not change the quality of what is inside the bottle.



Aly

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on February 23, 2016, 03:10:47 PM
Not everyone transitions, though. Gender does change for some of us, as well. Here's some reading material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

By doesn't change I meant we are who we are; we cannot alter our gender. We can, however, change our appearance and body to to match our true gender.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 02:44:59 PM
Thanks for reply. Very interesting thought. But I'm honestly strongly disagree. The term "Sex" do mean "sex organs", but also "secondary gender/sex features" for me when it's about transgender people. You can change your appearance like secondary sex features and genitalia. Chromosomes can't be changed, but they aren't that visible after hrt and surgery, so it doesn't matter that much. But it's not possible to change the gender in my opinion. Gender roles is something you can switch, but not gender identity or the true gender. When I say it's impossible to change gender, I'm talking about the gender identity. That's what the person identify himself/herself with and which gender structure that are in the brain. It is probably biological.

I would never undergo a gender change in the future, but a sex change is something I really consider. I don't want lobotomy where the doctor mess up my brain. The gender lying in the brain according to my definition. I don't want to change my personality, me as a person. My brain is me. But hrt and top surgery is something I may undergo in the future.

Here's the rub, you're looking at all this as though XX and XY are a discrete binary. Androgen insensitivity disorder will cause a "genetically male (XY)" person to develop as a woman in utero. She will be able to get pregnant and develop normally because her body defaults to the X chromosome. There's XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc., intersex is ignored and forgotten so often when people want to argue that sex is based on chromosomes. The reality is that sex and gender aren't as easily defined as people pretend.

The way we experience our gender and practice our gender roles evolve over time, although our gender identity doesn't. I usually refer to myself as a trans woman, transsexual seems outdated to me. When talking about surgeries, I generally refer to them as top or bottom surgeries, or as gender confirming surgeries. Only my outwardly perceived gender/sex is "reassigned" by surgeries. My actual gender hasn't budged from female since I was a kid, and no surgery could change it.

I was socialized as male throughout my childhood, MAAB & FAAB are pretty good ways to say the same thing (Male assigned at birth & female assigned at birth). I used to be a much less happier version of myself that felt like I had to try to fit in as a guy, but I'm the same person.


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- Katie
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Quote from: Obfuskatie on February 23, 2016, 04:16:31 PM
Here's the rub, you're looking at all this as though XX and XY are a discrete binary. Androgen insensitivity disorder will cause a "genetically male (XY)" person to develop as a woman in utero. She will be able to get pregnant and develop normally because her body defaults to the X chromosome. There's XXY, XYY, XXYY, etc., intersex is ignored and forgotten so often when people want to argue that sex is based on chromosomes. The reality is that sex and gender aren't as easily defined as people pretend.

The way we experience our gender and practice our gender roles evolve over time, although our gender identity doesn't. I usually refer to myself as a trans woman, transsexual seems outdated to me. When talking about surgeries, I generally refer to them as top or bottom surgeries, or as gender confirming surgeries. Only my outwardly perceived gender/sex is "reassigned" by surgeries. My actual gender hasn't budged from female since I was a kid, and no surgery could change it.

I was socialized as male throughout my childhood, MAAB & FAAB are pretty good ways to say the same thing (Male assigned at birth & female assigned at birth). I used to be a much less happier version of myself that felt like I had to try to fit in as a guy, but I'm the same person.


     Hugs,
- Katie
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Not mention that each chromosome, all 46 consist of many individual genes, which themselves are complex sets of base-4 executable code. Data is frequently corrupted in this storage medium by many external factors, radiation, biochemical toxicity, infection, as well as being vulnerable to errors during the information exchange process needed to create a new, unique, entity.

This is how we have so many different creatures running around, and planting themselves in the ground.

Humans are silly if they think they are going to crack open THAT api (application programming interface).
We're a bunch of hacks.

Katie! 

Great post!  Especially your comment "I was socialized as male throughout my childhood"  I've  seen this stated in different ways before, but it really is important to REMEMBER when trying to explain ourselves to the cis world.

Thanks!

Hugz! 

The only thing I don't like really is when people, "he used to be a girl". From my perspective, I was never a girl. People were just not in possession of all the facts, that's all.

Quote from: OCAnne on February 23, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Gender is my head.
Sex is between my legs.

I underwent a Sex Change Operation, not a Lobotomy.

EOM

I like that.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 23, 2016, 01:32:32 PM
Which do you prefer and why? Here is examples you can answer at.
Gender change VS Sex change VS Sex reassignment surgery VS Sex correction etc...
Used to be a X VS They were born as VS They were assigned X at birth VS They was X in the past etc...
Born in the wrong body VS Trapped VS Developing difference than others VS Brain and body don't match VS Gender identity and sex organs doesn't necessary match etc...

I prefer the term GRS (genital reconstruction surgery) It just makes the most sense to me. I'm not a fan of the other acronyms. I'm not changing my sex. I was a woman before surgery and I' am after surgery.

I don't care what words are used, tbh.

Quote from: Joi on February 24, 2016, 06:55:25 AM
Katie! 

Great post!  Especially your comment "I was socialized as male throughout my childhood"  I've  seen this stated in different ways before, but it really is important to REMEMBER when trying to explain ourselves to the cis world.

Thanks!

Hugz!

Ty
Explaining what it's like to be trans gets easier with practice


     Hugs,
- Katie
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Quote from: T.K.G.W. on February 24, 2016, 08:11:23 AM
I don't care what words are used, tbh.

Same

Quote from: Alycya on February 23, 2016, 03:18:31 PM
I got it.

Of course i didn't mean to affirm that transition is a "gender identity" change.

Simply: the external body appearance changes ---> the external body appearance can be related to a "gender".

Sex doesn't mean "genitalia", sex is not a "thing", it's something that happens, and it happens because it's something intrinsic to life.

You may change the form of a lamp, but the light that the new lamp will spread out will be still "light".

Sex, as light, is a phenomenon which happens... it's not a "thing", an object.

BTW, personally i don't mind too much at words, labels and definitions - the most important thing is the better quality of life that transition might lead to...

The label that we put on the bottle does not change the quality of what is inside the bottle.



Aly

Ok.

For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.

So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.