Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 24, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
Ok.

For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.

So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.

Well, in order for me to 'Make Love' with a man, I needed a sex change.  Is that better?

The term I use is GRS which can mean Gender Reconstruction Surgery or Gender Reassignment Surgery depending on who you talk to.

You know, to me it doesn't matter what most people try to say as long as they are attempting to do the right thing. "She used to be a guy," isn't trying very hard. "She had a sex change," isn't a whole lot better but isn't all that far off the mark. When all the fluff is blown away, it really matters little which terms are used. Good people will still be good people. The jerks will still be jerks. I will help someone understand if they ask, otherwise whatever comes out of their mouth is fine.

Cindi

Personally, I hate using the word "change" at all, and even dislike terms like "male to female," or anything else that implies that there was any "change" involved, as if I somehow became a different person, or used to be one category but now somehow I'm another category.

I'm a transgender woman. I've always been a transgender woman, I was born a transgender woman, I was a transgender women before I transitioned and I'm one after I transitioned. I'm fine with that term because, first and foremost, a woman is what I am, and transgender is just the type of woman I am. And I've always been a woman. It's just that other people used to not be able to see it, where now they can. And it's just that I used to have a medical condition which caused me to be constantly distressed at the shape of my body, where now I don't.

In regards to SRS/GRS/GCS/whatever, I usually just use the term "sex reassignment surgery" when I'm talking about it, because that's still the most common medically-used term for it, but personally if I were to pick something that's most accurate to how I feel it is, I'd just call it "genital reconstructive surgery." If you're just looking at me as a woman who was born with a penis (which is basically what I am,) rather than a "man changing into a woman," then all that SRS is is correcting a birth defect... reconstructive surgery. (Which is defined as "restoring the form and function of the body," which is exactly what SRS does for the genitals of trans people.)

Personally, I think transgender is a lousy name because we see "gender" as our innate sense of self, irrespective of chromosomally-induced body parts. It's immutable, so the "trans" part of the word is meaningless and confusing.

U.S. Americans think the word "sex" is icky.

We've granted those who aren't us the power to define who we are and the labels used to do so. I'm not saying we can do anything about that, but the diversity of opinion on Sebby's question means they didn't do a very good job.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on February 24, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
Ok.

For me sex may mean "Makes love, to have sex with someone" and it may mean what's between your legs. Penis, vagina etc. are sex organs. So sex may be act, what's between your legs etc.

So when you think at "sex", do you think at "Making love"? English isn't my first language, therefor I asked you again the question.

lol - English is not the first language for me neither. Anyway, i will try to express myself at my best.

For me Sex is not something between my legs - Sex is a much more wider phenomenon.

From a certain perspective sex and life are just synonymous, they exist together, you cannot divide them. If you are alive you cannot avoid to experience sex at some level, because it is intrinsic to life itself.

Sex is a "raw" energy that may evolve in something superior (Love-Compassion).

The source of Sex is the same source of what we call Life: the interaction between two polarities which are opposite and complementary at the same time (male-female; active-passive).

So, i know that in "language", semantically there are two different "sexes", but i'm not interested in grammar, what interest me more deeply is the Reality of things. Therefore, to me, to "spare" Sex is a sillinesss.

Sex is One thing, it's not two things, it's a vital energy that springs from the interaction of two opposite\complementary polarities. This is not a semantical viewpoint, but a Tantric one.

Those two polarities co-exist in each human being, nobody is an "absolute male" nor an "absolute female", each individual is both. That's why transition is possible, we can change our bodies, with the help of science, because that potentiality is already there.

And we can experience Sex from different perspectives, but we will experience the same vital energy. That's why i said that "Sex" it's not something we can "change", it's just something that we can experience.

... i'm saying this knowing that in common language with the term "sex" people may refer to a particular condition (the ​state of being ​male or ​female)... but i'm not a "common person".


Aly

I like Gender Realization

Quote from: OCAnne on February 24, 2016, 11:26:27 AM
Well, in order for me to 'Make Love' with a man, I needed a sex change.  Is that better?

I didn't give you the critic. I just asked another person in the thread what she meant, because I didn't get her point, because she wrote it in a very difficult way. Even I can English, it's still not my first language and it's still hard to understand sometimes.

SRS and she was not designated female at birth.

I really don't see any benefit in labelling someone with gender dysphoria with the one word that bothers them the most in life.

oh so you were born a BOY, assigned MALE at birth, your MALE to female. ugh

... perhaps GRS = Gender Restoring Surgery (?)

A surgery to reconstruct\restore the original\true gender...



i surrender ... lol

Quote from: Alycya on February 25, 2016, 05:28:30 PM
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i surrender ... lol

Me too! The terms I prefer in sentences are "Dinner's ready" and "Do you want more gravy?" 

Hugs, Devlyn

I have always liked the term 'Gender affirmation surgery' but I also like the term Lady Garden installation

It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery. We also used that to describe XX women. It may be crass, but it was only among other trans friends.

Quote from: Alice Rogers on March 01, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
I have always liked the term 'Gender affirmation surgery' but I also like the term Lady Garden installation

lol

I love that.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 01, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery.

So funny!  On a post-SRS (Sex Change) followup with therapist, who is also a post-op transsexual woman. She commented that post-op vagina smells like fish.  At the time I wished mine would only smell fishy.  Well now I can confirm, yes it can smell fishy...and thats a good thing in my book!

Thank you,
Anne

I've heard a few say "she got her parts fixed" (though that can be misleading still).  There's endless ways to say it honestly.  For technicalities, "sex change" is probably the most accurate, regardless to the fact that it sounds a bit harsher.

    ~ Winter

Quote from: DiamondBladee on March 01, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
I've heard a few say "she got her parts fixed" (though that can be misleading still).  There's endless ways to say it honestly.  For technicalities, "sex change" is probably the most accurate, regardless to the fact that it sounds a bit harsher.

    ~ Winter

I'm a bit agree. Anyway, "sex change" is much better to say than "gender change" aka. lobotomy. What's between your legs can be fixed, your hormones can be fixed and rest of your looks. But you can't change a persons identity. Changing a persons brain sound just wrong.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on March 01, 2016, 02:58:01 PM
Changing a persons brain sound just wrong.

^

Personally I tend to avoid terms with the word sex in them, since coming out I've noticed that many people who aren't trans or educated in trans issues get fixated on those 3 letters, my transition is not about sex its about me being happy in my own skin.
If I never have sex as a woman then I don't care as long as I get to live as my true self

Quote from: Jayne on March 01, 2016, 05:01:58 PM
Personally I tend to avoid terms with the word sex in them, since coming out I've noticed that many people who aren't trans or educated in trans issues get fixated on those 3 letters, my transition is not about sex its about me being happy in my own skin.
If I never have sex as a woman then I don't care as long as I get to live as my true self

And again, that's why I said sex just sounds kinda harsh.  Plus the X.  X just isn't a clean letter either.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on March 01, 2016, 11:17:13 AM
It has been more than thirty years since I transitioned... so this might be seriously dated. But my friends and I used the term "real fish" when we'd finally get the surgery. We also used that to describe XX women. It may be crass, but it was only among other trans friends.

A friend of mine, post-op 18 years this month, came out in college and frequented a drag bar in Athens.  She always said she was "raised by drag queens" and used "fish" all the time.  When she did a show and tell for the girls at the bar after her surgery, that was exactly what they said about her.  "Real fish."