Second Wachowski Sibling Has Come Out as Transgender

http://www.people.com/article/second-wachowski-sibling-comes-out-as-transgender

People/By Michael Miller 03/08/2016 AT 08:00 PM EST

"Lilly Wachowski, 48, formerly known as Andy Wachowski, has come out as transgender.

Lilly made the announcement via a statement to the Windy City Media Group, in which she confirmed that she has transitioned and is out to her friends, family and some coworkers.

Wachoski's sister, Lana, first appeared publicly as a woman in July 2012. The siblings are best known for directing The Matrix trilogy. "

Good to see Lilly being outspoken for non-binary issues .

I love it when anyone finally gets the chance to be themselves. It's awful she was outed like that but she handled it wonderfully.

Also I can't even start to figure out the odds of two trans siblings that has to be about as common as being hit by lighting whail drowning, or hitting the lottery the same day you got fired which just happens to be your birthday.

But all joking aside I do have one serious question the ladies could answer for me...when is the next season of sense 8?

Serena

Quote from: Valwen on March 08, 2016, 11:57:04 PM
Also I can't even start to figure out the odds of two trans siblings that has to be about as common as being hit by lighting whail drowning, or hitting the lottery the same day you got fired which just happens to be your birthday.

No. Not at all. If we take the 1 in 300 figure, then the probability of the kids in a two sibling family being both trans are 1 in 90,000, meaning there are hundreds in the U.S.

However the sisters are 48 and 50, meaning they were both born in the DES era, so if their mother used DES during both pregnancies, that would might make the probabilities much higher.

Quote from: Valwen on March 08, 2016, 11:57:04 PM


Also I can't even start to figure out the odds of two trans siblings that has to be about as common as being hit by lighting whail drowning, or hitting the lottery the same day you got fired which just happens to be your birthday.

Serena

  I don't know about the odds, but two of my four children are trans.

I love the Wachowski sister's but Lilly should not have been forced out like that, I think the media needs to be sued for big money a couple million times then maybe they will get it throw there thick scoles there not above the law!!!

BY FOR NOW

Something went right in that family. Those two are freakin brilliant! The media does what the media does. It is motivated by sensational stories which make money. I just hope that the moniker you see at the end of each film.... "The Wachowski Brothers" to "The Wachowskis"... will now change to "The Wachowski Sisters." Yeah. I want to see that.

Cindi

Quote from: suzifrommd on March 09, 2016, 06:25:23 AM
No. Not at all. If we take the 1 in 300 figure, then the probability of the kids in a two sibling family being both trans are 1 in 90,000, meaning there are hundreds in the U.S.

However the sisters are 48 and 50, meaning they were both born in the DES era, so if their mother used DES during both pregnancies, that would might make the probabilities much higher.

As far back as 1970*, studies were done using UK health records that showed the chance of a trans person having a first degree relative (ie parent or sibling) who was also gender atypical was an order of magnitude greater than chance. That first large study found this to be true even for those who did not know (ie had been given up for adoption, broken family, etc.) each other & had never met. After the mid-to-late 70's though, those sort of sympathetic studies abruptly stopped being done. One was attempted around 8 years ago but failed to secure funding. I wonder if it might not do better now.

Anecdotally, I am *amazed* how many trans parents of trans children I've met over the last decade.

* by R.Green (before he fell in with the wrong crowd he actually did some good stats work)

Quote from: frances_larina on March 10, 2016, 01:50:56 AM
As far back as 1970*, studies were done using UK health records that showed the chance of a trans person having a first degree relative (ie parent or sibling) who was also gender atypical was an order of magnitude greater than chance.

Thanks, Frances. This is a really interesting result.

I wonder whether this is genetic or gestational. I.e. similar conditions in the womb vs something in genes that predisposes one to being trans.

There has been a remarkable lack of research being done on trans people, both on the causes of our condition and on the effects of medical treatments. It's a scandal that no one even seems to agree how many of us there are.

I'd say it's likely to have been DES. They were born at the right time, and with both pregnancies fairly close together, if DES was used in the first one, it's quite likely to have been used in the second one too (since the mother would probably be under the same doctor, and still judged to be at risk of miscarriage).