For those of us who thought that cis people cannot experience GD here is a case of a cis women having it herself. The video is 18 mins, the part of interest is at 16:00ish.

I hope her message gets through. If it can be said that any CIS person gets us, Nora is that person.

It's nice to see a nurturing look towards men's emotional health.  I hope that this idea can be taken seriously.  I feel like I've gained a deeper understanding of testosterone by blocking it out.  If only everybody could experience switching hormones

Interesting -

Is this GD though. Seems like her stress and guilt was at the knowing deception because there is no actual need for her to do any of it. If need was imperative, i.e. a matter of survival, would a person unravel then?

Do many trans people feel a similar thing to this? I feel absolutely no guilt for not fitting in, or my predicament. I don't consider myself to be a liar to others (they assume a great deal about me and rarely bother to ascertain the truth - that's on them).

I felt like a fake and a cheat and deserving of abuse, even before I figured out why I felt that way, so, yeah, some trans people did feel that way. Now I feel real.

...Guess I don't have this type of GD.

Quote from: highlight on March 08, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
For those of us who thought that cis people cannot experience GD here is a case of a cis women having it herself. The video is 18 mins, the part of interest is at 16:00ish.

Interesting! But did the gender dysphoria quit after she was done with her experiment?

Here you go, Sebby. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_Vincent

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on March 09, 2016, 06:12:35 AM
Is this GD though. Seems like her stress and guilt was at the knowing deception because there is no actual need for her to do any of it. If need was imperative, i.e. a matter of survival, would a person unravel then?

Do many trans people feel a similar thing to this? I feel absolutely no guilt for not fitting in, or my predicament. I don't consider myself to be a liar to others (they assume a great deal about me and rarely bother to ascertain the truth - that's on them).

I agree, that was my first thought when I saw it.

I'm medially transitioning but not socially, and I feel a fair bit of pressure with all the hiding. If I were more social I suspect it would develop into a real problem. I feel some dysphoria, but its very small these days and not causing any serious distress. I can relate to video quite well as deception and not GD.

I feel no guilt over anything. Its just that the hiding effects a lot of my life.

Nora learned some powerful lessons but she didn't go through the same kind of GD that we go throw, she was not stuck with male genital for 18 mouths she didn't have to live with that every day .

BY FOR NOW

One of my friends is a drag entertainer but also a cis woman, at work she would constantly be told that she was a man, and customers would constantly insist that she was 'actually a man'.

What she experienced was comparable to gender dysphoria, however I wouldn't ever compare cis people having similar experiences with trans identifying people - most trans people experience mental, physical and social dysphoria, whereas cis people who experience dysphoria have it triggered socially.

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on March 09, 2016, 06:12:35 AM
Interesting -

Is this GD though. Seems like her stress and guilt was at the knowing deception because there is no actual need for her to do any of it. If need was imperative, i.e. a matter of survival, would a person unravel then?

Do many trans people feel a similar thing to this? I feel absolutely no guilt for not fitting in, or my predicament. I don't consider myself to be a liar to others (they assume a great deal about me and rarely bother to ascertain the truth - that's on them).

I felt what she did.  I never really maintained any friendships long term because I always felt there was no point since they really didn't know me.  Also, back when I was a very devout Christian I felt like I was lying to God every time I stepped into Church.

Quote from: Deborah on March 09, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
I felt what she did.  I never really maintained any friendships long term because I always felt there was no point since they really didn't know me.  Also, back when I was a very devout Christian I felt like I was lying to God every time I stepped into Church.

I feel like only God will ever understand who I am and feel on the inside. My soul is male, and God knows it. He gave me the challenge of being born in a female body.

Quote from: Matthew on March 09, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
One of my friends is a drag entertainer but also a cis woman, at work she would constantly be told that she was a man, and customers would constantly insist that she was 'actually a man'.

What she experienced was comparable to gender dysphoria, however I wouldn't ever compare cis people having similar experiences with trans identifying people - most trans people experience mental, physical and social dysphoria, whereas cis people who experience dysphoria have it triggered socially.

I don't understand that part. She's a cis woman that looks like a man and then dresses as a drag queen for entertainment?

Quote from: alienbodybuilder on March 09, 2016, 03:51:02 PM
I don't understand that part. She's a cis woman that looks like a man and then dresses as a drag queen for entertainment?

No, she looks female out of drag, but is a 'faux queen' - a cis woman who does drag style entertainment, a fairly new part of drag but it's really interesting.

Not all drag queens are men who dress as women, and not all queens even dress as women / femme.

Quote from: Matthew on March 09, 2016, 04:00:39 PM

No, she looks female out of drag, but is a 'faux queen' - a cis woman who does drag style entertainment, a fairly new part of drag but it's really interesting.

Not all drag queens are men who dress as women, and not all queens even dress as women / femme.

This is the line where the concept of gender identity gets beyond my understanding.

Based on the Wikipedia article, it sounds like she's the person whose Village Voice article I read back around 1981 or so.  I was not impressed.  My impression was that she wasn't reporting on what it was like to live as a man so much as what it was like to live up to her idea of what it was to be a man.  I think most (cis) men would have been uncomfortable trying to be the kind of man she was trying to be.

After I read the Wiki article, I feel she only puts herself in these situations to write books.

Quote from: Asche on March 10, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Based on the Wikipedia article, it sounds like she's the person whose Village Voice article I read back around 1981 or so.  I was not impressed.  My impression was that she wasn't reporting on what it was like to live as a man so much as what it was like to live up to her idea of what it was to be a man.  I think most (cis) men would have been uncomfortable trying to be the kind of man she was trying to be.

How is this significantly different from what we do before we give in and try to live authentically? I certainly didn't understand being a man. I could only follow stereotypes and tropes.

Norah Vincent's "Self Made Man" is on my to-read list. Judging from comments made by my friends, the experience made her unhappy less because of the pressures she faced as the gender she was presenting and more because she was trying to live as something she wasn't, which appears to be one of several aspects of GD.