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My experience with Dr Kamol and Thailand

Started by Bird, March 14, 2016, 09:36:52 AM

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Bird

Hello everyone.  My name is Maiara, im 32, I work as a physician (GP) im on HRT since 28 years old.

I used to come here often during my early stages of transition. As time went, I got so busy with graduation and SRS seemed far away. I felt I didn't have much to contribute to the forum at the time, I was often tired and though, now and then people did post asking for help related to hormones, so often it was so away from my own experiences, diferent countries and realities you know, I didn't feel I could help much. So I stoppped posting, but every now and then Id always come by to post

After graduation and getting a job as a GP, I began saving money for SRS and researching for a suitable surgeon.I live in Brazil and as far as I am aware doing surgery here is a turkey shoot. So I looked abroad and eventually set my eyes on Thai doctors. Namely, Suporn, Kamol and Saran.

Suporn, even if I could wait to afford him, I felt was overpriced. Sure, great looking vulva IMO... it is said he does a deeper vaginal canal than the others. However, as he charges double of what Kamol andSaran charges,basically,  I felt it was not worth it. Anyway, to make it short, eventually I settled for Kamol.

I'm married for two years, and my wife told me she felt it would be nice if we did a bit of tourism before going to the clinic. And so we did. Thailand is an amazing country... we arrivied in Bangkok and stayed at Ibis Riverside with a great cost benefit to rest from the 20 hour long flight. It had a great befenit for low cost and we were surprised. The next morning we left for Krabi and the amazing beaches of Thailand. We went to Railay Beach, Laem Tong Beach in Phi phi don, stopped a bit at the phi phi village as well, then we did a bit of sightseeing to bamboo island, mosquisto island and maya bay.

Before heading back to bangkok, we went to Chiang Mai for two days as well. During our stay there we got the news that my partner would have to return to Brazil on the 9 of march because her medical license had been called off. We received this news on the 3rd of march. It was a huge letdown and we didn't know yet what to do about it, as my surgery was scheduled for the 7th

Why do I say this? It is not my intention to write atravel blogto any of you. We used about 12 days to do all of this, and Thailand is a very cheap coutry for turism. This time we used to rest from our routine, for reflection on what next steps to take, and hopefully, to arrive at Kamol's clinic with a clear view of what his clinic truly was. We never forgot we were in a foregin country, with competely diferente standards of medical care than we are used to in our western world.

My wife was very worried about me, through she'd often just enjoy our vacation. She was worried I'd pick a wrong decision. She is not agains't my CRS... she just wantsme to choose the right doctor and moment, instead of just jumping in some kind of bandwagon and doing something I'd regret forever.

Her worries increased because there was someone else from Brazil who went there to Kamol. She sent back a picture of hervulva. Through the uretra and clitoris were normal,the vaginal canal had a fairly open O shape and you could see edema and granulation tissue. This was one year after the procedure. In my opiniion it was a good result, but in hers it was not acceptable.

As we arrived from Chiang Mai in Bangkok, the clinic was supposed to have a driver waiting for us somewhere. But my cellphone was low onbattery from our vacation in Chiang Mai. I didn't remember in what airport gate the driver was supposed to be and so we had to take a cab. The driver barely spoke any english, he had a very hard time to find the clinic even though we had a map and its written adress in both english and Thai. On top of it, I think he overcharged us for the ride.Anyway, we arrived there at 11 pm. It is a seven story tall building, thuogh not exactly in the most modern side of Bangkok, its not too far off.

The clinic was dead silent, and anight guard opened the front gate for us. They have a floor dedicated as a hotel and we stayed there. The room is large, like a luxury hotel room, with jacuzzi and everything. However, it was smelly and a bit sufocating. I don't know what kind fo smell it is, but I guess it was a mix of bathroom smell, medication smell and onions. We turned on the air conditioner and opened the windows, what helped a bit. The sight to the town outisde was gloomy as we saw only old and dirt buildings.

So ok, by now my partner was freaking out. I still thought, even if the clinic is not in the best side of Bangkok he could still be a good doctor. We had an argument that night, barely had any sleep and woke up next morning early for breakfast. Breakfast they gave us what stuff from seveneleven, juice, a banana yogurt and a sandwich.

I'm used to eating very well at breakfast. Im a active person. So after eating I was still hungry.

Anyway, on our hotel floor there was a table with "information" written in front of it and a guy behind it. So we went there. We asked the person if they knew when was the doctor's appointment, and if it was somehow possible for us to look at the nursery rooms as we were worried about how the post op care was. He said appointment began at 10pm, and as far as heknew we could not be at the nursery room without going through a procedure... we couldask dr Kamol about it though.

This person had very very basic english and it took a while to understand him and get this info.

We went for the doctors appointment. We had to do some bureacratic stuff with the nurses, ID CHECK and such. After this process, we had to go back to our room to get a doc we forgot, and noticed I had also forgot my room key inside my room. Someone from their cleaning staff was passing by and we askedher for help. We thought she had understood us, she took us tothe elevator and took us to the nursery room. I don't know why she lead us there, but we were curious to see what the other floors looked like.

It was clean, very quiet, not very different from the 7th floor. We walked to the end of the corridor and back.  All patients inside seemed to be sleeping. We saw about 6 nurses on the floor, it had about 10 rooms, 2 beds per room, though only 3 people were there as patients in that morning. Most of the nurses seemed very young. Anyway, regular hospital floor is what I saw.

They don't have a intensive care unit on their clinic, though there is an ambulance parked outisde. I don'tknow how far away is the nearest major hospital. Anyway, I see SRS as a major procedure, and it can be life threatning. In any procedure of this size, it is relatively common for some patients to need intensive care for one day before they go to a standard nursery room. This made me feel unsafe.

We left to get the room key back and finish the signing of docs. Soon after we had the doctors appointment. Kamol greeted us and he was fairly empathic at first, although he was surprised I was marriedto a woman and wanted to go through SRS. He spoke only very basic english. Although he was surprised, he never asked just why I wanted to go undergo SRS, through he wanted to know if my wife agreed with it. Then he said "you have psychiatrist letter, so no problem for me". He asked if had BA and I wanted to do the procedure together with SRS, I said no.

I dont want to do BA for personal reasons, I have small breasts from hormones and I love them.

He asked me to lay down for examination, I did so, asked a few quick questions, then we were back by his table.  Then he told us ad he said EXACTLY THIS "If you want cut cut then I cut cut, no problem for me " then He went through a very brief explanation of his technique and told me I didnt have much skin that he could construct a 13 cm long vaginal canal. Then he completed "after cut cut, hormones for life, no going back"

I was shockedand forgot to ask some stuff I wanted to, including about the post op care, and also about the doctor who would do anesthesia. There was no appointment with the anesthesist schedule,what rang another alarm bell for me.

After this, we were off. Personally. I found his posture a bit unprofessional. It is not only the quick motion of the appointment, I felt this doctor barely scratched through my medical history and reasons for this. Basically, I felt he didn't care. As someone from medical background I know that some surgeons are fairly quick with their appointments, and some of them are good surgeons, but it is only logical that someone who is so quick about this also will be quick and superficial when analyzing patient outcome and that the post op care can be lacking, the doc won't care either way.

Still in the reception, we saw a book with some after pictures. The vulva that was there was like the one my friend sent me. Thevaginal canal was enlarged, brown, and there seemed to be some granulation tissue inside it, with a bit of edema just under in the skin between the vagina and anus. The major lips seemed to have saggy skin, though its hard to tellby the picture only. All these, we had seen in the picture my friend from Brazil had sent to us from her surgery.

I had blood taken and a torax x ray the same day. All quick and professional, nice staff, nothing to add there.

So after all this, we went to Bangkok International aiport because my wife had to get back home earlier thanexpected due to the problem I mentioned earlier. At first we were going to change her ticket only. But add to it that there is no way in hell she'd leave me alone there, as we didnt get a good impression of kamol and his clinic, and she'd lsoe her job if she didnt get back. Her english inst good, its limited, so it would be risky for her to take all the trip back alone.

We were eating at the starbucks, we hug each other there, cried, and decided to go back home together. After we finished our meal, we went to the airplane company office and changed both tickets. I was crying and shaking, but felt it was the right decision.

We told the clinic we'd quit from phone call, no refunds,no hasle either.

I left Thailand sad and disapointed, but at the same relieved and feeling it was the right decision. Even if it was somewhere that made me feel safe, I could not have my partner lose her job over it. This also is a one time deal, and I can always earn all the money I used back, but I cant do the surgery over again if its botched.

I feel Dr Kamol can be a good choice if you live in Asia and if you can't afford other surgeons, as he is cheaper. I think it its possible for someone to arrive in Bangkok after the long flight, be unsure about the procedure or not due to how the clinic is set up,but end doing it anyway just to not waste the flight, time and money. It takes a while for you to get used to the timezone and your bearings straight once you arrive, so under the excitement of SRS a lot can be missed and not spotted.


I have to leave for lunch now. Im at work... i will finish writting later. I hope all girls who read what I wrote so far find it helpful. Im notagainst anyone going to Kamol. I just want people to be aware of what they are doing. I was lucky to have someone beside me so I didn't feel too vulnerable and didnt do the procedure just cause I was there.

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Bird

So to wrap this up.

We still stayed two more days in Bangkok. I have mixed feelings about the whole experience...and honestly I feel fairly hurt emotionally of all I have experienced there. The money expent, the time expent. Though we did have amazing 10 days before going to the clinic, our arrival there was an amazing disapointment and I can only describe it as soul crushing. On another hand I am glad I didn't go somewhere I didn't feel was the right place for me in the end, and didn't do SRS just because I was there already, prepaid 20% for surgery day and all.

I'm beginning my search for SRS doctor's again, perhaps I will go to someone of the western world now. However, as of the moment I am fairly busy gathering my pieces, I feel spread all over the place and dont know what to do. A part of me is afraid I will never  see the resolution of this. I wish I had done my research better so I didn't expend all that money, only the plane tickets are a large sum.... but I didn't.I just found a surgeon who was somewhat cheaper and went on with it. I felt I wanted to do SRS as soon as possible,and althought I know I must now calm down,settle things up and do a better informed decision about where to go...I still feel I want this done yesterday.
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Bird

Hi thanks a lot for your reply. I am actually considering going to pai clinic. Its not about money really. I just want a good surgeons good care and a proper price for it. I feel like a money bag when im overcharged.

I am glad you had good experiences with them. It is so dificult tô choose who tô go to for this
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reborn

Chettawut is also a popular choice and most of the girls report good results.
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Lauren O

Following because I to am very worried about having such a surgery in a 'clinic' without ICU availability. I had  my BA done with Kamol and found it to be a very intimidating environment for a non-Thai speaking person. The language barrier was a huge concern for me. I went ahead with it and have good results but it was scary.
HRT January 2012
BA November 2013 - Kamol Institute, Bangkok SRS April 2018, PAI, Bangkok Thailand
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Laura_7

Quote from: reborn on April 16, 2016, 01:53:09 PM
Chettawut is also a popular choice and most of the girls report good results.

Every surgeon imo is kind of lke a package and has specific advantages and shortcomings ...

some people reported some problems with adhesions with Chettawut, maybe this could be talked through with him before an operation...
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,190787.msg1699717.html#msg1699717

Quote from: Lauren O on April 22, 2016, 12:35:38 PM
Following because I to am very worried about having such a surgery in a 'clinic' without ICU availability. I had  my BA done with Kamol and found it to be a very intimidating environment for a non-Thai speaking person. The language barrier was a huge concern for me. I went ahead with it and have good results but it was scary.

People might look for someone offering services for transgender people.
There are people who help translate, give company etc . Often their service is even included in the fees because they get a rebate from the hospitals. Just look for reputable persons.


*hugs*
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Danica

Well, I read this post and it was pretty upsetting...

For starters I guess everyone has there point of view. I truly hope Kamol is not the way that you portrayed him to be.

So here is what I have to say about this post. For starters I am no doctor but I was a Paramedic and have a good knowledge of bio etc... I did my research and looked at many surgeons all over the world. From reading reviews on the doctors from patients, to reviews on the clinics they work in. In the end I never saw a review as terrible as the one you made. My conclusion of my research was this; some of the best doctors in the world for SRS are in Thailand. The highest rated ones are Kamol, Supporn and Chettawut. I think in the end it comes to personal choice. I decided to go with Kamol. Other than the research that I did online, I spoke to my plastic surgeon here in Canada. He is rated as one of the best plastic surgeons in Canada and he had met Dr Kamol in the past. I asked what his opinion and thoughts were of Kamol? He answered that he thought Kamol was one of the top surgeons in his field.

Next I could not afford to pay for my srs so I went to the Canadian government for help. I was able to bridge the Kamol clinic with Canadian health care, since there is only Dr Brassard in Canada preforming srs. Over a few months Canadian health care had to look into Dr Kamol and his clinic as well as cost etc...  In the end he was approved by Canadian health care.

I am now going to see Dr Kamol in a few weeks. I want to say this finding the right doctor is very hard and reading peoples post that scare the ->-bleeped-<- out of you and make you wonder if you made the right choice does not help things at all. So be aware of whom posts what and if there telling you the truth or not... Do your own research and come to your own opinion do not count on others.

Just remember this in regards to Dr Kamol, he has way more positive reviews than negative ones, his clinic does look top notch compared to others, and in my opinion if he was not a good surgeon Canada would never had approved him.

If you want i can keep you posted on the outcome of my surgery.
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heart102

Hi Bird

Really sorry about your situation, but I think it's good for you to state this here since other people can have an information source based on a real situation.

I would like to know if you had your surgery and what doctor have you decided for, I'm not the same case but I'm looking for a doctor too.


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Dan

Hi Bird,

If I had been in your shoes, I too would have made the same decision. It is very important to have confidence in the surgeon and the support system when undergoing major surgery of any type.

Thank you for sharing, it will be invaluable for others who are planning SRS.
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Jacqueline

Quote from: heart102 on July 15, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
Hi Bird

Really sorry about your situation, but I think it's good for you to state this here since other people can have an information source based on a real situation.

I would like to know if you had your surgery and what doctor have you decided for, I'm not the same case but I'm looking for a doctor too.

Heart,

Welcome to the site. This topic is a little old. So I am not sure if you will get a response who knows.

Thanks joining and jumping right in. I am about to start a search for surgeon and procedure. I know that can be scary, frustrating and anxious. Great idea asking for help.

I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment:

Things that you should read





Once again, welcome to Susan's. Look around, ask questions and join in.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Nemo89

Quote from: Danica on October 18, 2016, 04:20:22 PM
Well, I read this post and it was pretty upsetting...

For starters I guess everyone has there point of view. I truly hope Kamol is not the way that you portrayed him to be.

So here is what I have to say about this post. For starters I am no doctor but I was a Paramedic and have a good knowledge of bio etc... I did my research and looked at many surgeons all over the world. From reading reviews on the doctors from patients, to reviews on the clinics they work in. In the end I never saw a review as terrible as the one you made. My conclusion of my research was this; some of the best doctors in the world for SRS are in Thailand. The highest rated ones are Kamol, Supporn and Chettawut. I think in the end it comes to personal choice. I decided to go with Kamol. Other than the research that I did online, I spoke to my plastic surgeon here in Canada. He is rated as one of the best plastic surgeons in Canada and he had met Dr Kamol in the past. I asked what his opinion and thoughts were of Kamol? He answered that he thought Kamol was one of the top surgeons in his field.

Next I could not afford to pay for my srs so I went to the Canadian government for help. I was able to bridge the Kamol clinic with Canadian health care, since there is only Dr Brassard in Canada preforming srs. Over a few months Canadian health care had to look into Dr Kamol and his clinic as well as cost etc...  In the end he was approved by Canadian health care.

I am now going to see Dr Kamol in a few weeks. I want to say this finding the right doctor is very hard and reading peoples post that scare the ->-bleeped-<- out of you and make you wonder if you made the right choice does not help things at all. So be aware of whom posts what and if there telling you the truth or not... Do your own research and come to your own opinion do not count on others.

Just remember this in regards to Dr Kamol, he has way more positive reviews than negative ones, his clinic does look top notch compared to others, and in my opinion if he was not a good surgeon Canada would never had approved him.

If you want i can keep you posted on the outcome of my surgery.

If you don't mind me asking, are you the same Danica as the one from that news segment what traveled from Canada to see Dr. Kamol?  I'm interested in possibly having SRS with him (narrowing down from him and Sutin at PAI).  If you don't mind I would love to talk to you and hear some first hand experiences about him.  (There is so little info out there that is independent, I'm wanting to make sure I do the right choice).  I don't think I can private message you on here, but if it's not against the rules I can share my email with you or some other means of contact.
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AnonyMs

I think you're talking about Danica Rain, and you can find out how to contact her if you search. She has a business taking women for Kamol for surgery.
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