Quote from: Martine on January 03, 2008, 12:37:25 PM
It was once claimed that singer and model Amanda Lear was a transsexual (she was the model on the Roxy Music 'For your pleasure' album cover) but later she claimed it was all a publicity stunt

Amanda Lear IS transsexual.  No question about that.  She transitioned very young and had genital surgery in the 60's or early 70's.

http://tgmedia.enacre.net/lorna_lynne/amandal.html

I personally not sure I could support, and it would be very hard
to get the general population to support, paid ffs with
government money. There is a very fine line between
FFS and cosmetic surgery and it would be a
pandora's box to touch this.

The only one maybe could be supported is if you had
SEVERE brow bossing (most type III don't even fall in this
category) or a very big jaw (I'm talking way out of female
range, something that's unequivocal). Many TS that do
FFS are already within female range, they're just not
within the range they'd like to be. Which is more
an esthetic and body image thing than absolutely passing.

As for BA, in Canadam that will never be supported I am sure by
the paying public at large so better not even think about it.
When they barely can get themselves to pay for SRS, anything
else is way way into fantasy land.

Most of the TS said to be famous here are only well known to
a very small number of people, and nobody in the general
population.

IF they had a TS actor in a regular role on House or Greys Anatomy,
then they'd be famous.

Very true K, the only really famous Trans people, are people like 'mirriam', Nadia, or a character in a film... because the world at large doesnt know that trans exists, nevermind famous ones...
R

I wanted to mention Eddie Izzard again,
As he is becoming very famous now as one of the best and funniest comedians out there.
He is giving us a very good face to the general public that Trans people can not only be cool, but downright hilarious, and the life of the party.

yeah, but hes not trans.... and isnt actively associated with being trans...
if anything, hes most famous for being percived as gay, and a ->-bleeped-<-. hardly awesome....
if you asked randoms in the street to name a famous transperson, or a trans comedian, they would probably have his name at the END of the list.
plus id still say his crossdressing is part of his act, rather than a complulshion to express his feminine side.... hes a showman....
you fail at suggestions.
R

Quote from: Pia on January 03, 2008, 12:44:55 PM

Quote from: Martine on January 03, 2008, 12:37:25 PM
It was once claimed that singer and model Amanda Lear was a transsexual (she was the model on the Roxy Music 'For your pleasure' album cover) but later she claimed it was all a publicity stunt

Amanda Lear IS transsexual.  No question about that.  She transitioned very young and had genital surgery in the 60's or early 70's.

http://tgmedia.enacre.net/lorna_lynne/amandal.html

Try reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Lear

Despite modelling nude for Playboy Magazine in 1977 and Amanda saying "and they could see I was a woman like everybody else", she was and still is widely rumoured to be either a transsexual or an intersexual because of her height (5ft 9.25 /176 cm), her masculine facial features and, most of all, her exceptionally low baritone-like vocal timbre. The fact that Lear is a naturally-born man is today considered an open secret in Continental Europe although Amanda has since the early 1980s insisted that these rumours are the result of a planned succès de scandale, a clever publicity stunt thought up by herself and Salvador Dalí to get her career in music started, just like her contradictory statements about her childhood. " - Everything Dali said, I just listened to. He was the genius, who was I? When it came to launching my career, he told me I was a lousy singer and if I wanted to sell records, I'd have to find something other than the music to attract people to buy them. So we built the Amanda Lear persona into something very intriguing and very ambiguous and it worked."

2words... 'lulz' and 'internet'
also this show is brought to you by the number 5
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Quote from: Rachael on January 03, 2008, 06:35:04 PM
yeah, but hes not trans.... and isnt actively associated with being trans...
if anything, hes most famous for being percived as gay, and a ->-bleeped-<-. hardly awesome....
if you asked randoms in the street to name a famous transperson, or a trans comedian, they would probably have his name at the END of the list.
plus id still say his crossdressing is part of his act, rather than a complulshion to express his feminine side.... hes a showman....
you fail at suggestions.
R

He self-describes himself as a ->-bleeped-<-.
He is a full-time  crossdresser.
He has said so.
He is out and open about it.

Quote from: Sarah on January 03, 2008, 07:31:16 PM

Quote from: Rachael on January 03, 2008, 06:35:04 PM
yeah, but hes not trans.... and isnt actively associated with being trans...
if anything, hes most famous for being percived as gay, and a ->-bleeped-<-. hardly awesome....
if you asked randoms in the street to name a famous transperson, or a trans comedian, they would probably have his name at the END of the list.
plus id still say his crossdressing is part of his act, rather than a complulshion to express his feminine side.... hes a showman....
you fail at suggestions.
R

He self-describes himself as a ->-bleeped-<-.
He is a full-time  crossdresser.
He has said so.
He is out and open about it.

Eddie Izzard is NOT transsexual. This thread is about famous trans people. People who have changed gender, not a comedian who started out wearing lipstick and has now ditched the act to become a more serious actor in many TV drama's and more recently in some major feature films. He now has a beard and wears snappy men's suits and hasn't been seen wearing make up for years!

we're talking trans. Not transsexual.
And Eddie Izzard is a pretty classic CD who took it on stage.

Quote from: Pica Pica on January 03, 2008, 07:39:25 PM
we're talking trans. Not transsexual.
And Eddie Izzard is a pretty classic CD who took it on stage.

Pica is correct.
The thread is for all Trans. people. Not just Transsexuals.

Quote from: Sarah on January 03, 2008, 07:45:39 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on January 03, 2008, 07:39:25 PM
we're talking trans. Not transsexual.
And Eddie Izzard is a pretty classic CD who took it on stage.

Pica is correct.
The thread is for all Trans. people. Not just Transsexuals.

Edfie Izzard ditched the drag act to become a more serious actor in many TV drama's and more recently in some major feature films. He now has a beard and wears snappy men's suits and hasn't been seen wearing make up for years!

The same with David Bowie, he wore make up in 1972 for his 'Ziggy Stardust' and 'Aladdin Sane' characters but it wasn't real and the make up came off after the show. He also wears suits now and looks more manly. This is part of showbusiness and neither of these people are full time ->-bleeped-<-s.

Also the 70's rock scene, glam rock especially, had lots of androgynous looking
bands using lots of what could only be termed ugly effiminate fashion
(considering the uglyness of 70's fashion, that's a pretty serious insult).
with plenty of  makeup. Did you ever see Rod Stewarts jumpers!!! Man,
that was massively ugly.

Quote from: Keira on January 03, 2008, 08:04:50 PM

Also the 70's rock scene, glam rock especially, had lots of androgynous looking
bands using lots of what could only be termed ugly effiminate fashion
(considering the uglyness of 70's fashion, that's a pretty serious insult).
with plenty of  makeup. Did you ever see Rod Stewarts jumpers!!! Man,
that was massively ugly.

That was a great era in regards to how far you could bend the rules. I loved it and it gave me a very early teenage start into looking very feminine and getting away with it. In 1974 everyone thought I was female and that was a great feeling.

I agree some rockstars Like Rod Stewart didn't adjust very well to the glam rock era and felt almost pushed into things they wouldn't normally do. But for us naturals it was great to experiment. I always thought both David Bowie and Marc Bolan looked cool and didn't look ugly. I thought the 1980's were worse! 

Quote from: Martine on January 03, 2008, 07:58:53 PM

Quote from: Sarah on January 03, 2008, 07:45:39 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on January 03, 2008, 07:39:25 PM
we're talking trans. Not transsexual.
And Eddie Izzard is a pretty classic CD who took it on stage.

Pica is correct.
The thread is for all Trans. people. Not just Transsexuals.

Edfie Izzard ditched the drag act to become a more serious actor in many TV drama's and more recently in some major feature films. He now has a beard and wears snappy men's suits and hasn't been seen wearing make up for years!

The same with David Bowie, he wore make up in 1972 for his 'Ziggy Stardust' and 'Aladdin Sane' characters but it wasn't real and the make up came off after the show. He also wears suits now and looks more manly. This is part of showbusiness and neither of these people are full time ->-bleeped-<-s.

So he was lying then, Hmm?
Well that sucks.
He has said that he was doing this at a young age.
I would want more clarification on him.
If he was lying, he was lying.
I would be disapointed.
I will look into this.
Thank you for posting this.

Posted on: January 03, 2008, 07:20:55 PM

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From the wikipedia article:
"Izzard describes himself as an "executive" or "action" ->-bleeped-<-, as "a male tomboy" or "male lesbian" rather than a "weirdo" ->-bleeped-<- (he cites J. Edgar Hoover as an example of the latter). He regularly cross-dresses both on and off stage and makes it clear that cross-dressing is, for him, not a sexual thing — he simply enjoys wearing make-up and clothing which is traditionally perceived in the West as female-only. He remarks in one of his shows, "Women wear what they want and so do I." According to Izzard, "Most ->-bleeped-<-s fancy girls." He dismisses claims that he is homosexual, saying he is either a straight ->-bleeped-<- or a "male lesbian". He has also described himself as "a lesbian trapped in a man's body," but this is not generally taken to mean that he actually identifies as a transgender lesbian.

Often describing his "breast envy," Izzard, after shooting the film The Avengers, occasionally wears a pair of false breasts, reputedly modeled upon co-star Uma Thurman's own breasts. These had been intended for Thurman's body double to use."

-I don't think that having facial hair excludes him as a CD.
Nor being more business-like. It could be the price of success and a continued career. Also regarding acting, Actors pride themselves in not being restricted in the roles they play. The ones who really enjoy acting hate being given the same role over and over again as it brands them as un-diverse and not flexable as a performer.
I don't think that being a CD or Trans. means that one has to always play those roles as a performer.
That is the whole point of being a good actor: being able to perform roles that may be difficult or that one may find intriguing or challenging.
If he describes himself as a CD, I don't see any reason to say he isn't.
-Actually, if he has breast envy, it sounds like he is more than just CD to me..

I think he ditched the dress from the act, but not from life. He said he started dressing on stage to calm down the stage nerves - I reckon it became part of the act but was always there.

Amanda's "masculine" features, height and even body are found in 90% of models
today so I don't get why that should determine she's a TS. Maybe models
where daintier in the 60's and 70's ?

Have you seen models these days; they are tall tall tall with strong jaws, large shoulders
and not to wide hips.

There's even a web site entirely devoted to proving that the reason designers like
models to look like men is that they're all gay and they want to see boyish women
on the runway!!

Like I said elsewhere,
Rebecca Romjin started as a model
and she could crush Amanda any day of the week!!
And nobody's claiming she's a TS; though now with
her ugly betty role I'm sure people will start to
confound reality and fiction somehow. Its possible
the same thing happened in Amanda's case. The
jury''s still out on that one.

again, the amanda thing is like the lana wichowski bs... another story that spinned out of proportions.
hey, everyone tags Anne Coulter as being trans...
R

Next someone will list Dame Edna Everage and Lilly Savage as trans people...

soon as they do. i will find thier house, and torture them sadistically, before feeding them to nero in his tuna sandwitch...
R