Some GPs refuse to treat trans people 'because of their Christian beliefs', specialist warns

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/05/some-gps-refuse-to-treat-trans-people-because-of-their-christian-beliefs-specialist-warns/

Pink News/By Nick Duffy   04/05/2016

"A specialist has warned of a number of cases in which doctors cited their religious beliefs as a reason to not treat transgender patients.

Dr James Barrett, the lead consultant psychiatrist at Charing Cross Gender Identity Clinic and president of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists, warned about the issues facing trans people in the British Medical Journal."

I suppose those doctors swore a Hypocritical Oath instead of the the Hippocratic Oath.

St. Jude Medical Center in Fullerton, CA denied me help.  They view HRT for transsexual people as cosmetic. Surreal to see the doctor point to the cross over the doorway while explaining their position.

Serves me right for going to a Catholic medical group and being Jewish!

Anne

EOM

Quote from: OCAnne on April 05, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
Serves me right for going to a Catholic medical group and being Jewish!

No. They did you an extreme disservice by refusing to educate themselves about your condition and allowing religion to interfere with their treatment.

If for whatever reason they cannot take your case, they are duty bound still to acknowledge your medical condition and to refer you to someone who is willing to help you. By claiming that your condition is "cosmetic" they are going against established medical practice. That is unethical.

Shame on them.

It is an interesting point of view. As an oncologist I presume I could refuse treatment to that doctor if he presented to me as I disagree with his interpretation of mythology.
Yet I could not do that as my morals would not allow me.

I suppose that makes me more of a Christian than he is, and I have no belief in gods and I am most certainly not a Christian!

"Doctor, doctor! I've got 59 seconds to live!!"
"Just a minute..."

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 06, 2016, 07:21:42 AM
"Doctor, doctor! I've got 59 seconds to live!!"
"Just a minute..."

Don't tempt me wth Doctor jokes!!

Christians do not view this as a medical problem at all so in their minds there is no conflict in refusing treatment. 

Their view on the matter, due to their adherence to mythology rather than established science, is that this is no more than a mental illness that should be treated as such - period.


Sapere Aude

Quote from: Deborah on April 06, 2016, 08:18:34 AM
Christians do not view this as a medical problem at all so in their minds there is no conflict in refusing treatment. 

Their view on the matter, due to their adherence to mythology rather than established science, is that this is no more than a mental illness that should be treated as such - period.

That's been my observation also. Apparently we 'choose' to be this way.

A disgraceful flouting of medical ethics.  But on the other hand, would you really want to be treated by a doctor like that?

I'd just like to put in a good word for Jesus. Jesus was a healer and would never turn away anyone

Born into a Catholic family, part of the reason for my issues, I think.
Part 1:
They should have the freedom to deny treatment (association with us) without any issue. It's a free country, or it isn't. Having "In god we trust" on the money isn't "shoving religion down someone's throat" any more than having "In allah we trust" on the money. Shall all churches take down their crosses? All mosques remove the minarets and crescents? All synagogues remove their stars? Live and let live. And find another doctor.
Part 2:
How the F do people stay so IGNORANT? It MUST be willful, and makes me want to be rather nasty to those who cannot accommodate others. If this was a CHOICE, wouldn't we just run the numbers, decide it's too costly and change our minds?
And these people MUST be aware we live in a world of siamese twins, cleft pallets, club foot, chimeras, mosiac genotypes, let alone the even odder things of the world - one species has no males, for example, the female lizards give birth to clones of the mother. There are animals living in the darkest depths of the ocean, using volcanic heat in the way plants use sunlight. Chemosynthesis instead of photosynthesis.
They deny reality because they are afraid, I think. Afraid of "the other."
Not so long ago, it was all about how the (insert racist term of choice for blacks) were going to get high on MJ, turn into rampaging beasts, and hurt decent white folk. Then came Vietnam, and the truth was out about how MJ made the troops not want to fight...  Same doctor never missed a beat, he was all over that, too, about how it would make blacks indigent and indolent and lazy, drains on society... And it was a gateway to OTHER , drugs, which WOULD make them enraged and aggressive and... 

It's just "our turn," in that sense, I guess. But I still don't like it, and I still have issues with the Church as a result. (For example, watch "The name of the Rose." That sort of thing happened, definitely. Not a secret. Papal indulgences, too, and I don't know what else, BEFORE you consider how they worked the text and specifically translated passages to "re-interpret" the stories, and to promote their own political power, and that the languages were long dead at time of translation, and hadn't been written down at the time they happened, so stories were likely exaggerated, and, and, and, ... Infinity.  Always the human element mucking things up.)

We won't stay here forever, but at this time, there's a disconnect between enlightened behavior and dogmatic, blind, idiocy.
Based on sheer numbers, biased and lousy muddled "edjukation" (government indoctrination, read it in the original Socialist German & Marxist) - Enlightened behavior is being suppressed and strangled.

Revolting.
-Dianna

As long as someone locates their business to not use any public utilities or taxpayer funded services like roads and sewers then I say that only then should they have the right to deny services to other taxpayers.

So if the Dr. wants to refuse services let him locate his office on a footpath in the forest lit by kerosine lanterns with an outhouse he dug himself and water hauled in each morning by bucket from his self dug well.


Sapere Aude

Quote from: Deborah on April 08, 2016, 01:40:35 PM
As long as someone locates their business to not use any public utilities or taxpayer funded services like roads and sewers then I say that only then should they have the right to deny services to other taxpayers.

So if the Dr. wants to refuse services let him locate his office on a footpath in the forest lit by kerosine lanterns with an outhouse he dug himself and water hauled in each morning by bucket from his self dug well.


Sapere Aude

Totally agree with this. If you want someone to pay for infrastucture to support your business, you serve them. Anything else and you have a hobby, not a business.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 08, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
Totally agree with this. If you want someone to pay for infrastucture to support your business, you serve them. Anything else and you have a hobby, not a business.

I need to oppose both of you on this, though it's roundabout.
See, we CANNOT refuse to use these "services" provided at gunpoint.

There is no choice. This is Chairman Mao writ large: All political power comes from the barrel of a gun.
I don't own you, you don't own me - yet somehow, government owns both of us, and we had no say in the matter.
I guess my Anarchist is coming out...  ;-)
-Dianna

Quote from: steyraug96 on April 08, 2016, 03:06:58 PM
I need to oppose both of you on this, though it's roundabout.
See, we CANNOT refuse to use these "services" provided at gunpoint.

There is no choice. This is Chairman Mao writ large: All political power comes from the barrel of a gun.
I don't own you, you don't own me - yet somehow, government owns both of us, and we had no say in the matter.
I guess my Anarchist is coming out...  ;-)
-Dianna

No, they have a choice: don't operate a business catering to, or providing services to the public. It may not be a choice that they like, but it is still a choice. The law has to apply to everyone, and special consideration should not be given to people's particular flavour of religion.

Couple of quick replies. I am not looking to rile anyone up but here goes.

Cindy Yes, In this instance it does make you the most Christian. Hope that is not offensive to you.

StephanieC. You are right on with the description of not turning anyone away. It was not him, it was his human disciples and followers that wanted to turn people away.

Religion is and has always had problems. If you have read any of my posts about this, I will repeat(sorry), it is because of the human aspect. This is true of all religions. It is not the belief or the origin of the diety but human interpretation and execution.

steyraug96 Part of the hippocratic oath(even the modern one) states treatment of all. Not most, unless I religiously and politically disagree.

All cynical, religious and political comments aside, this is reprehensible.

Sincerely,

Joanna

Quote from: WorkingOnThomas on April 14, 2016, 06:36:25 AM
No, they have a choice: don't operate a business catering to, or providing services to the public. It may not be a choice that they like, but it is still a choice. The law has to apply to everyone, and special consideration should not be given to people's particular flavour of religion.

This is where I am.  You can't force people to be doctors, but if they flatly refuse to meet the demands of the profession, you have to take their license away for the public good.