If the Watchokvi brother is not TS, well he's at least transgendered or androgyne.
Very hard to deny the ambiguous appearance.

publicity stunt, or something to do with a dominatrix iirc
and must someone be TG to look androgynous, or like looking andro?

R

Quote from: Keira on January 06, 2008, 11:46:32 AM

I'm with Rachael on this one (and I'm old enough to remember punk rock first hand...); Punk was pretty fringe and had a brief surge of popularity in 1976-1977 in the UK alone (elsewhere it was way underground).

Even then, only a few bands really broke through. I think the truly famous. The sex pistols (who actually had a number one UK album in 1977 before they broke up in early 1978), Ramones, The Clash, Siouxie and the Banshees (though, they're not really just punk and they outlasted all groups started at the same time, they had a very profound influence on the 80's scene)) and a few others I forget about.

Wayne / Jayne county was very famous in the late 1970's around 1977, mostly for her vulgar stage and and her much publicised gender change. I remember as a young teenager being facinated with the story even though she wasn't the most glamourous person in the world. Wayne (Jayne) County and the Electric Chairs had a few minior hits in 1977 - 78.

Another story that facinated me more was the Tula Cossey story which was spread all across the Sun newspaper in 1982. I was in my first job and the guys at work read the story and made comments that they 'would.....go with her'......even if she was transsexual. She was completely credable, so hetrosexual guys fancied her too. I took the newspaper out of the bin and took it home. It was a turning point for me and I knew from then on what I needed to do. That was when I started to seek help and was diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Berleigh, if she's a punk rocker (which is already kinda fringe except for a few groups),
she was not a top one; she's nowhere in Wiki and they're pretty thorough in listing even the smallest groups
and performers from the area.
Punk rock started around late 1975 (though there were groups with sounds tending that way a few years before) and by 1978 had basically run its course in the general culture.

Maybe because of your interest, you were interested in her and for you, she was interesting.
But, in general culture, she's a very small blip at most.

again, another person famous within a subculture. not culturally famous
R

Well, stop complaining, get out there and do something.

Pica Pica, a crab bit your toes or something?     
Its a thread about famous trans. The definition of famous is sort of relevant.

quite...
pica: i suggest after watching your androgyne theory video (and btw, i pronounce it and-roger-knee...) i suggest you go into standup, or some other chatshow style carear, and become a famous person in the, people know your name who arnt from your social subgroup sort of famous, ie, what the topic is about.... to be honest, i could say Susan is famous... she is in the trans community... does it stand up as fame if you asked in the street? no, thats the fame this topic is after, so far, were quite short on that.
especially LONG LASTING famous trans folk... some blips, and temporary famous ->-bleeped-<-s, but none stay the course.

R >

lets show em then eh 

so i get to be your glamorous assistant?
R

i wanted to be yours

i do require androgyne's for my talkshow band....?
4 genderqueers and a piccolo...

R >

Quote from: Keira on January 06, 2008, 06:30:36 PM
Berleigh, if she's a punk rocker (which is already kinda fringe except for a few groups),
she was not a top one; she's nowhere in Wiki and they're pretty thorough in listing even the smallest groups
and performers from the area.
Punk rock started around late 1975 (though there were groups with sounds tending that way a few years before) and by 1978 had basically run its course in the general culture.

Maybe because of your interest, you were interested in her and for you, she was interesting.
But, in general culture, she's a very small blip at most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayne_County

The Wiki reads like a PR piece (influencitial is used in a very liberal way).
Seems to come from the glam movement (makes sense for a TS) than the punk movement.
She seems to have come late to the punk scene 1977 and was a minor influence.
Read the punk page to see all the groups and you'll see what I mean, maybe
she had more influence on glam rock, but that also faded by early 80's though
the glam rock as a whole scene had a stylistic influence but not influence musically
on the alternative scene (See Duran Duran and The Cure).

Still not convinced of being famous beyond the alternative scene.

But, doesn't matter, and its mainly splitting hair. 95% of Trans here are very marginally
famous so she' no different.

Quote from: Keira on January 06, 2008, 09:13:29 PM

The Wiki reads like a PR piece (influencitial is used in a very liberal way).
Seems to come from the glam movement (makes sense for a TS) than the punk movement.
She seems to have come late to the punk scene 1977 and was a minor influence.
Read the punk page to see all the groups and you'll see what I mean, maybe
she had more influence on glam rock, but that also faded by early 80's though
the glam rock as a whole scene had a stylistic influence but not influence musically
on the alternative scene (See Duran Duran and The Cure).

Still not convinced of being famous beyond the alternative scene.

But, doesn't matter, and its mainly splitting hair. 95% of Trans here are very marginally
famous so she' no different.

Why don't you admit you were wrong for once. It WAS in Wiki....

Quote from: Rachael on January 06, 2008, 08:57:47 PM
i do require androgyne's for my talkshow band....?
4 genderqueers and a piccolo...

R >

I hope you haven't forgotten a mandolinist/fiddler/guitarist for the band... I know someone 

y2g <who has played on over 30 recordings, but you still probably haven't ever heard of me>

Wendy Carlos is the most famous trans person I know of who is famous for doing something other than transitioning.  Working with Robert Moog, she was one of the first people to record with his synthesizer, making her the pioneer of electronic musicians.    She wrote scores for several films, one of which, A Clockwork Orange is considered a landmark.  Though, I'm fond the the stuff she wrote for The Shining.  The record Sonic Seasonings is considered by some the first 'ambient' record.

Everything after 72 was done as Wendy, and reissues were done under Wendy and not her prior name.  Switched on Bach was the first classical album to sell 500,000 copies, and the first to ever go platinum.  Wendy's early work with recording and realizing music on a computer is responsible for many of the improvements that made things like ProTools possible.

From her web site:

"In April of 2005, Wendy was presented with the SEAMUS 2005 Life Achievement Award, in recognition of her groundbreaking work in the electro acoustic world since the '60s. She has delivered papers at New York University, the Audio Engineering Society's Digital Audio Conference, Dolby's NYC Surround Sound demonstration and panel, and other music/audio conferences. Carlos is a member of the Audio Engineering Society, the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers, and the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. Carlos consults for several Macintosh developers including Mark of the Unicorn, Opcode, and Coda, has designed PostScript music fonts for Casady & Greene, and has developed libraries and tunings for Kurzweil/Young Chang. Other interests include solar eclipse chasing, surround sound, astronomy, color vision, photography  and other visual arts, map making, reading, gourmet food, film, and a love of animals."


Her discogrphy is far greater then most bands ever achive.

    * Switched-On Bach (1968)
    * The Well-Tempered Synthesizer (1969)
    * Sonic Seasonings (1972)
    * A Clockwork Orange (soundtrack) (1972)
    * Wendy Carlos's Clockwork Orange, (1972), all the music composed or realized for the film.
    * Switched-on Bach II (1974)
    * By Request (1975)
    * Switched-On Brandenburgs (1979)
    * The Shining: Score Selections (soundtrack) (1980)
    * Tron (soundtrack) (1982)
    * Digital Moonscapes (1984)
    * Beauty In the Beast (1986)
    * Land of the Midnight Sun (1986 composition, released on the 1998 Sonic Seasonings reissue)
    * Secrets of Synthesis (1987)
    * Peter and The Wolf (1988) (with "Weird Al" Yankovic)
    * Switched-On Bach 2000 (1992)
    * Tales of Heaven and Hell (1998)
    * Switched-On Boxed Set (1999)
    * Rediscovering Lost Scores, Volume 1 (2005) (The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, UNICEF)
    * Rediscovering Lost Scores, Volume 2 (2005) (The Shining, Tron, Split Second, Woundings)


The reason she is not some big trans idol, is because she is not interested in sharing any of it.  She is private and wants to stay that way.  But famous, a pioneer, important.  Yeah, she is all that.

I remember both Walter/Wendy Carlos and Wayne/Jayne County in the 80's and I wasn't particularly alternative. They were pretty famous, Carlos actually being someone with talent, but County being sort of a shock stage performance.

I wouldn't call either obscure, but perhaps it depends on where you were in the 80's. I was in Vancouver.

Dennis

i was in nursery.

I'd say Wendy Carlos, which I listed earlier than Tekla (who was very thorough),
is much more well known by the public at large (in this case, the musical public)
than the other one. But, hey, that's only an opinion.

My own soft spot if for Jan Morris because of the wide variety of work before and
after transition. Again, this is a mainly private person, but she's written a book about
transition Connundrum which is suppose to be very good (which should be expected from
a lifelong published writer).