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Started by Midnightstar, April 13, 2016, 12:00:10 AM

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Midnightstar

I've realized in the past couple of days my dysphoria over my voice has been more often then normal
and its mostly occurred when listening to other voices that are cis male or even other trans males already on T and just curious if others have that same problem as a trigger. And any tips on how to make it not so much a trigger even though i dont think i can take the trigger away....idk...dumb question. 
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xlostboyx

I am extremely dysphoric over my voice. It's actually one of the top three things I am looking forward to the most when I get T. I wish I had some advice, but I am curious what other people will say.


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Dena

I have had a fair amount of experience working with voices, mostly with MTFs but by reversing the process, I have helped lower the voices of FTMs before T. The resulting voice might sound more boyish but depending on your appearance, it might be a better match.

The process involves talking in a less expressive voice and relaxing the muscles above your larynx when you speak. This will move you into the chest voice. This is the same process that Karen Carpenter used when she sang to produce a much lower, richer sound.

Not a dumb question, just a case of figuring out the right question to ask.
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lincoln_2u

It really suck to feel insecure about what others will think of us. We have the urge to be as a cis woman maybe because people look to a transwoman like they are disgusted? If no one care, maybe we would still want to be a perfect woman but not with all the anxiety and other bad feelings... maybe.

You know, there's a lot of cis woman who have deep voices.. If you were a cis woman and had a deep feminine voice, would you still be disappointed?
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Midnightstar

Quote from: lincoln_2u on April 13, 2016, 09:31:56 PM
It really suck to feel insecure about what others will think of us. We have the urge to be as a cis woman maybe because people look to a transwoman like they are disgusted? If no one care, maybe we would still want to be a perfect woman but not with all the anxiety and other bad feelings... maybe.

You know, there's a lot of cis woman who have deep voices.. If you were a cis woman and had a deep feminine voice, would you still be disappointed?

i'm not a girl im a guy...sorry im a little lost.
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Tristyn

Quote from: Midnightstar on April 13, 2016, 12:00:10 AM
I've realized in the past couple of days my dysphoria over my voice has been more often then normal
and its mostly occurred when listening to other voices that are cis male or even other trans males already on T and just curious if others have that same problem as a trigger. And any tips on how to make it not so much a trigger even though i dont think i can take the trigger away....idk...dumb question.

This is a very common type of dysphoria among trans people. My voice definitely bothers me because it's not deep enough to consistently be identified as male. I feel ya. Do you also suffer from muscle dysphoria or dysphoria of the inability to have the muscle development of a biological man?
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Kylo

I really do not like my voice at all - I feel people find it irritating somehow as it is. I hope that if it deepens, it will become better-sounding both to me and others. Honestly I do find male voices easier to listen to on the whole, but I don't mind female voices if they aren't going up and down and doing too much with the voice itself because I find that distracting.

While giving an assessed talk during a degree course once, I remember I did it pretty well (in my view), talked loud enough that the people at the back could hear, was businesslike and attempted to keep to the point. But the two females who were sitting in to grade me on it told me afterwards that I sounded too aggressive. Like I said I told them I wanted to make sure that my voice was being heard at the back of the auditorium. I admit, my voice does have a teacher-like quality about it when in that "mode" which I get from my mother somehow, who was a university lecturer herself, and it's a no-nonsene tone if you know what I mean. I don't always talk like this at all, but I find that when I do, people are vaguely intimidated by it and focus on their intimidation and not what I am talking about. (It was a degree talk after all on a science topic - not practice for being a counselor or a therapist, but those graders were pretty preoccupied by the tone of the voice and not the quality of the material...). They're intimidated by my mother as well; I remember her telling me the exact same thing during her undergraduate degree. People seem to want to be comforted by a female voice, and not instructed by one. If a woman sounds authoritative in voice, people seem to get a bit uncomfortable.

Well, that's just tough; I don't think I can do much about it when I'm in teaching or instruction mode, it's just how I talk when I'm telling someone who doesn't know how to do something about how to do it. I was raised by my mother and I think I picked it up from her; I'm used to it and I don't feel bad listening to a female voice of authority so long as it's making sense, which she always did. And trying to sound "cute" for approval is just...no. I won't do it just to put other people at ease with me. Perhaps if I have a deeper voice people will get over their problem with it, but I suspect it's going to have to come along with being perceived male before it will be fully accepted.

Voices are interesting things - there's a lot of non-word based communication in them that we not always consciously aware of, but other people pick up on. I think people have picked up on the "male" aspect of mine, and it confuses them subconsciously. Other stuff confuses them too, such as my accent. I didn't like the accent I grew up with and now speak with a kind of self-constructed cherry-picked one that people can't really place and that tends to throw them off, too.

I'm not a fan of high-pitched voices overall and I think my voice dysphoria was worse during teens because it was much higher then. It's typically on the low end of the female range now, even if I'm yelling. One thing is true - I've been keeping it low now for about 2 years and it's become easier and easier to speak in a lower tone with practice. I guess the vocal chords alter as much as they can in their current state. At first it was slightly physically uncomfortable to talk at the tone I now do, but now it's quite natural and easy.
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lincoln_2u

Quotei'm not a girl im a guy...sorry im a little lost.

I'm sorry... I don't know why I made you a woman... Something is wrong with my reading... (or mind)
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