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legal and illegal questions employers can't you in an interview

Started by Olivia86, April 13, 2016, 06:17:50 PM

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Olivia86

There isn't much information on this subject and I was wondering what I should look out for. I would also like to hear peoples experience while looking for a job or transitioning at your job.
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FTMax

Employers can't ask you any questions about protected statuses - so nothing about your age, gender, religion, marital status, disabilities, etc. They're free to ask just about anything else personality, experience, or skills-wise.

I transitioned on the job and had no issues. But I work for a very small company in a large progressive city, and my skill set is difficult to replicate. I've also successfully interviewed and received offers for other positions during my transition. With potential employers who do background checks, I'm pretty open about my transition. If they don't have one, I don't bring it up. I haven't had issues either way.
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mac1

There is always to ask those illegal questions (indirectly) & get the answers.
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Olivia86

I'm currently looking for work and the other question I have is is it a good idea to tell the temp agency i'm trans? I mean I asked for mainy office jobs no warehouse. I scored in the 90 percentile for their test. I just don't want to get a job and then when I'm presentable in my gender I get fired for whatever reason.
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FTMax

I don't see a point in bringing it up unless you are looking for a permanent career type placement. Then you'd want to be sure that the company you're hired at has a culture that is inclusive. So if that is what you're looking for, then yes, I would say you should bring it up if you are comfortable doing so.

If you're just looking for a position to gain experience and money as you transition, then I wouldn't bring it up.
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RobynD

Gender identity is a protected category in 18 states. Also many companies in other states have it written into their non-discrimination policy. Anything they ask you about that in an interview is likely not allowed. That doesn't stop them from doing the wrong thing though and it does happen.

My transition began when i was self-employed, and my employees were supportive. My investors are very conservative for the most part and even they were supportive.

As an employee previously i presented pretty gender fluid and often fairly feminine. Over the years i had some negative experiences but mainly from coworkers, mostly not. One employer told me once " i made people uncomfortable" yeah whatever....i did not stay there too long.


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Tristyn

Quote from: FTMax on April 13, 2016, 06:49:00 PM
Employers can't ask you any questions about protected statuses - so nothing about your age, gender, religion, marital status, disabilities, etc. They're free to ask just about anything else personality, experience, or skills-wise.

Yeah, this reminds me of what I learned last week in my Medical Law and Bioethics class. Employers have to follow very strict guidelines when it comes to questioning in their interviews. Questions involving elements such as age, gender, religion, marital status and disabilities, as Max mentioned, would be considered very illegitimate and even irrelevant to the job. I think it has alot to do with the fact that such questions could even possibly lead to discrimination of the individual being interviewed.
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suzifrommd

I'm not a law expert, but I do not believe there is any prohibition on any question an employer can ask you. I don't believe there are laws that limit what can be asked on an interview.

However nearly every employer shies away from asking questions related to protected classes of people as a matter of company policy because they can be used as strong evidence in a discrimination lawsuit
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Jessika

A Resume is not a legal Document, so I use my preferred name in that and I also disclose I am Transgender. I want Prospective Employers to know ahead of time rather than later.
If they want me, Fine. If not, I keep looking.

However, If a Company DOES decide to hire me before I get my name change, the only thing I can see is that my LEgal Paperwork will of course state my lae name, which I don't think should effect how I do my job or how they perceive me.
After all, Only the Boss and HR should know my "Payroll" related info, noone else....right?
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KarynMcD

Quote from: suzifrommd on April 15, 2016, 05:49:35 AM
I'm not a law expert, but I do not believe there is any prohibition on any question an employer can ask you. I don't believe there are laws that limit what can be asked on an interview.

It's complicated.
From https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/practices/
QuoteAlthough state and federal equal opportunity laws do not clearly forbid employers from making pre-employment inquiries that relate to, or disproportionately screen out members based on race, color, sex, national origin, religion, or age, such inquiries may be used as evidence of an employer's intent to discriminate unless the questions asked can be justified by some business purpose.
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Ayden

Like others have said, there is a long list of things employers can and cannot as you. Depending on state you live in, the rules will be stricter or more lax. A good rule of thumb is always hold the company to the stricter set of rules, whether they be state or federal. (I work with the disabled and we always follow the strictest rules for everything to maximize the privacy of our clients).

I have been asked illegal questions in the past and simply left the interview or refused to answer by pointing out that even asking me was a lawsuit. I started carrying a recorder into my interviews after that.

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Tristyn

Quote from: Ayden on April 15, 2016, 04:15:12 PM

I have been asked illegal questions in the past and simply left the interview or refused to answer by pointing out that even asking me was a lawsuit. I started carrying a recorder into my interviews after that.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using a recorder on someone without their permission considered to be illegal as well? I have been told this before when I showed my previous therapist, whom I have dropped a long time ago, an audio recording of my dad yelling at me for things I know were not my fault. The point though is that she stated that I am not supposed to record someone without their permission. I don't know if this is really true or not. Just thought I'd mention it. Though in your case, it's totally understandable as to why you would do that. I would want to as well. Makes for awesome evidence in a lawsuit.
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Ayden

Quote from: King Phoenix on April 15, 2016, 07:47:37 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't using a recorder on someone without their permission considered to be illegal as well? I have been told this before when I showed my previous therapist, whom I have dropped a long time ago, an audio recording of my dad yelling at me for things I know were not my fault. The point though is that she stated that I am not supposed to record someone without their permission. I don't know if this is really true or not. Just thought I'd mention it. Though in your case, it's totally understandable as to why you would do that. I would want to as well. Makes for awesome evidence in a lawsuit.
I should have clarified, my apologies. It depends on the state you live in. Alaska, where I live, has single party consent laws for things like interviews for jobs, meaning I can record the interview as long as I don't use it for blackmailing or illicit purposes. I deleted the last interview I recorded after I walked out of the building. My job I have currently I could not record since it was in the mental health field and we were discussing a specific person.



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tgchar21

If an interviewer asks you any inappropriate questions, what I recommend is either:

1. If it's something that you can answer in an "alternative" matter (that gets what they have a legitimate reason for knowing) without actually lying, do so.*
OR
2. Ask why their question is relevant to the job before proceeding.

*Common examples are if an employer asks you about your family, answer that you can meet the requisite work schedule; or if the employer asks you about your nationality, state that you are authorized to work in the country without any restrictions. This tactic may also come in handy for a particular question that disparately impacts transgender people that I'll discuss in a subsequent post (broken up from this because of the length).
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tgchar21

Now I'll touch on some common application and/or interview questions that may be burdensome on transgender applicants (applicable to the U.S. - and since I'm not a lawyer or HR worker don't take what I say as legal advice; it is from my own research and past discussions about this on Susan's and elsewhere).

The first one is can an employer ask the prospective employee to state their sex? The only time that this would not be a "taboo" question is:
1. Sex (not what gender they're presenting as) is a bona-fide occupational qualification. This would usually be limited to athletics, jobs where you or others around you may be nude (e.g. locker-room attendant), etc.
OR
2. The information is asked on an optional survey (which would typically be accompanied by questions about your race, ethnicity, etc.). If you don't want to draw attention, just opt out of the entire survey.
If asked any other time, follow the advice given by me and others here.

The second one is can an employer ask for former/other names the prospective employee has used? The answer is only if it is necessary to properly verify information provided by the applicant. Since most employers these days will run some kind of background check, that unfortunately means that for most transgender people who transition much past coming of age (and thus would probably have something under their former name that would be relevant) the answer is yes they can ask for that information.

If the employer needs to know your former name to verify your work history, educational credentials, or contact references, you risk coming back with a false negative (that you never worked or attended school there) if they can't verify you because your record is not under your current name. You might be okay if it's something they're unlikely to verify (such as high school once you've graduated college or employment from more than a decade or so ago).

The bigger risk is with something where not having all of the names the history is under would indicate a false positive, such as with criminal or credit history checks. If you end up concealing anything along those lines deemed relevant (even minor offenses for example) because you didn't give the name the information was under you could be accused of deception/lying with the consequences associated with such.

That means that with the exception of teenage/earlier transitioners, or in some cases those who transitioned many years ago, there is probably no way to avoid outing yourself via your former name to a prospective employer (unless you can send the sensitive information directly to the agency or investigator; but if you can't do that, or an employer wants for example to contact a former employer or school directly, you basically have no choice unless you can get the institution to update your records with your current name).

For those who transitioned either before (or not long after) becoming an adult, you may be able to put the "alternative response" tactic to use - if you can honestly say that you have nothing relevant under any other names that answers the question as far as they need to know. (In cases where the applicant was adopted or the name was otherwise changed as a child they generally say that you don't need to even count your birth name, but in the case of transgender people where an employer may find any excuse putting a response like I suggested CYA without outing yourself.)

Someone will likely point out that there may be exceptions, such as a security clearance, where they want everything from birth (but there from what I've been told by another member who I don't remember her name on here the clearance investigation is handled confidentially by an agency separate from who actually makes the hiring decision - and you can put down that the sensitive information is available only to an authorized investigator). Another exception may be in certain cases, like the kind of work our Jessica Merriman works in as a paramedic, where because of the nature of the job a deeper investigation than what can normally be done - she once said that applies to any kind of state/local government job, but in most cases the same rules that apply to private employers also apply to state and lower government agencies (it's her specific job that makes it different for her - someone like a police officer would likewise fall under heightened scrutiny, but run-of-the-mill jobs like a park manager or maintenance worker wouldn't). The federal government is exempt, but there the OPM has a way to handle the checks without outing yourself to the one making the hiring decision (if not otherwise relevant for reference checks, etc. that are handled directly by the agency employing you).
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tgchar21

Since the last post was getting a bit unwieldy, I'm making yet another one to touch on some more thoughts on the former names issue (that are not immediately important to know, but explain the issue deeper).

The precedent of an employer needing to know other names that records they may check are under, but not beyond that, comes from back when immigrants frequently changed their names to be more "American" and asking for what their name was before immigrating opened them up to national origin discrimination. Since employers (especially back in the day) did not routinely check international records, there was no tangible reason for an employer to know the birth name of an immigrant if it was changed.

A few members on here have contemplated getting a "sealed" name change on the theory that doing so would alleviate the need to provide their former name to an employer. Whether or not the name change is sealed does not make any difference one way or the other - it's still whether or not any relevant records to an employer would be under said name. (That theory probably comes from that of sealing criminal convictions, but that's because under certain circumstances you may be deemed that you do not have to disclose said convictions to the public - a name change as far as employers are concerned is asked for their pragmatic purpose and not strictly for knowing whether or not you once had a different name, and thus whether or not the name change is sealed to the public has no effect on whether they need to know it or not.)

Additionally, it makes no difference to an employer whether or not the "other name" is a former legal name, a professional pseudonym that you worked under, an alias used illegally as a criminal, etc. - if it's germane to the background check it counts (this wouldn't directly impact the transgender issue, but it explains the logic by explaining what kinds of "other names used" count to an employer - and it's not strictly what was once your legal name.)
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Tristyn

Quote from: Ayden on April 15, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I should have clarified, my apologies. It depends on the state you live in. Alaska, where I live, has single party consent laws for things like interviews for jobs, meaning I can record the interview as long as I don't use it for blackmailing or illicit purposes. I deleted the last interview I recorded after I walked out of the building. My job I have currently I could not record since it was in the mental health field and we were discussing a specific person.



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Ok, I see. Gotcha. My bad. I thought it was illegal everywhere.
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Beth Andrea

I would ask for the relevance of an intrusive question to the job at hand.

Often a potential employer will ask, "So...tell me a little about yourself", and that's when s/he can hope you will volunteer information that can't be asked (like marriage--which can also reveal orientation)
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Ayden

Quote from: King Phoenix on April 16, 2016, 08:09:48 PM
Ok, I see. Gotcha. My bad. I thought it was illegal everywhere.

Actually, it really was my fault so I apologize. It's always best to air on the side of caution if you don't know the laws in your state.

In single party consent states as regarding recordings,  it is illegal to use those records for personal gain or if they violate the privacy of someone else. I'm not allowed to take pictures or recordings of my client for example,  without express consent from the guardian, as my client cannot consent.

In a case where one lives in a single party consent state (regarding recording laws,  I cant stress that enough), if you privacy is violated in an interview it is considered to be gathering evidence.  This is also why civilians can take a recording of a crime in most states  (38 out of 50) and not be charged with a crime.

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