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Started by ShotGal, March 22, 2016, 11:08:12 AM

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ShotGal

I was feeling nostalgic and signed up to make a couple of comments - but this is something that kind of baffled me... the Post Op Life section seems mostly consumed with - parts, and sex.  Maybe it's in another section - (or maybe doesn't exist) - but I was sort of expecting to find life related topics in this area.   I was expecting to see how people were doing - what they were doing in life way down the road, etc.  Maybe it all gets moved to blogs?  I suppose it's mostly the demographic - most of whom are either just beginning, in the middle, or just over the process - so you don't get a lot of perspectives from the rear view mirror.  And from those that do have that vantage point, they either understandably don't join, or share a lot I guess.  :-)
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OCAnne

Post-op life is pretty normal.  Dating is tough because even though guys think I'm pretty, they don't necessarily like what I am. That being a transexed woman.  The dream is still to find a lover who one will one day take me as his bride!  Until then I just try to lead a normal life.

My older Post-op friends tend to be stealth, too busy? or disinterested in participating in trans talk.  I plan to join them one day.

Post-Op life - working girl:

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suzifrommd

Quote from: ShotGal on March 22, 2016, 11:08:12 AM
but I was sort of expecting to find life related topics in this area.   I was expecting to see how people were doing - what they were doing in life way down the road, etc. 

Well, other than dilation, post-op life is pretty much the same as pre-op life but with different stuff under my clothing. Dating would be different if I could persuade anyone to actually become intimate, but the chances of that are seeming more and more remote.
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Jenna Marie

Yeah, I admit, I was startled myself when I realized this section wasn't really about "life" so much as it was about being immediately post-op. But I figured that was clearly the purpose of the section, so...

The truth is, my post-op life is pretty boring. :) I go to work, run errands, feed the cats, etc. I did recently get a new job with a significant pay bump and promotion, so that's exciting for *me,* but I don't expect it to be important to anyone else! I guess, in other words, post-op life is just plain old life, but with a vagina (and since cis women don't find that their vaginas influence much of their existence, I'm not surprised that neither do I).
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Ms Grace

Well Shotgal, here's the perfect opportunity for you to start posting the kind of topics you'd like to see and discuss in this section, your chance to add some more life to Post Op Life :)
Grace
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Serenation

As much as the title has life in it, it seems off topic to me. If I made a thread about buying groceries and complaining about the price of petrol I imagine people would be  ??? . Seems more suited to social media.
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ShotGal

Quote from: OCAnne on March 22, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
My older Post-op friends tend to be stealth, too busy? or disinterested in participating in trans talk.  I plan to join them one day.

I think this is probably the answer mostly.  Your "life" post is a nice example BTW!   I'll admit as much as Susan's forum was a nice resource for myself and others ages ago - I really haven't looked back much until now.

Of course everyone does errands and groceries etc. so that would be boring - but I am loving the price of petrol right now - not complaining at all - it's like the 1980s around here in that regard!  (under $2 per gallon!)  :-)

Jenna's new job, pay bump and promotion is great - and good for others to see/know that there is success and opportunity out there.  (YMMV)

I guess I kind of "get it" too - it's a fine line of not sharing TMI (for those who are fully assimilated into the mainstream), with a healthy dash of not wanting to be narcissistic etc.   Yet still, I think there should be at least some knowledge of the "after" life experience - though even by the virtue of posting in forums, it's automatically a very skewed demographic limited only to forum participant types, and those willing to share.  :-/ 

So, yes, maybe life after is uneventful for some, maybe many - but isn't that good?  I was just wondering - how's everyone doing?  I went lightyears past the survival of it all myself, to places I never would have even dreamt of going.  Only wish I would have gone back in time and slap my old stupid self around a bit to have arrived here sooner!
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Jenna Marie

Shotgal : Thanks. :) That's actually a very good point, as it *does* tie into post-op life specifically if I wanted to look at it that way; this is my chance to move away from the job where I transitioned in place. My employer was fantastic about it, but at the same time, I'm delighted to go somewhere that everyone doesn't remember "before." I'm not stealth, but I also didn't make an announcement, and in any case it's a whole different situation when people may or may not know about my history but didn't WATCH me change. (I had a background check, so I assume HR knows, but I honestly have no clue whether anyone in the actual office does.)  I've been lucky overall and I know I was here as well, but you're absolutely right that it's nice to know that being trans doesn't necessarily hold people back.

On the flip side, I used to admit my previous name at the bottom of my resume in an effort to be up front... and never got a call back with that resume. Not once. So that's less encouraging, especially since I'm in a very liberal area.

(The price of gas here is quite appreciated, too!)
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Keri

Post op life for me started February 20th
I plan therapy twice per month.
One thing we have talked about is to keep dreaming , keep looking forward.
For me now it's not about making money, it's about enjoying what I do.
Do what will that be.
Something wonderful?
I hope so
Keri
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liz

For me, post op life is a mix of random events and fun.

I moved very far from where I did my transition, I needed this reset in my life. I started to work in a bar (a job I never thought i'll do someday) and enjoy it everyday.

I made lot of male friends ( during transition I was a bit anti-male for some reason I don't know, but realized that now they fit me better as friends ).

I started to be serious about female ufc and I participate every sportive events out there.

I also made changes in my university path, I gave up maths and computer science to a mix of endocrinology and sexual behavior. It will probably not lead me to any job as is but I enjoy all the things i learn :)

Most of all, i promised myself to live with no regret from now on and appreciate my totally imperfect life everyday.

ShotGal, you're right about the need for post op stories. As transition start, we are so incertain where it will lead us, it is good to see how peoples manage to live once they are "achieved". Not much peoples hold their blogs or really keep talking about their lifes after they're settled and this let transitionning peoples in the dark about their possibilities.
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Debra

I think Post-op life is when we stop worrying about being trans and move on from this forum. For the most part anyway.

So you'll mostly only find people going through surgeries and having issues/questions they want help with. The life part just happens as we move away and move on.

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Nicole

Post op life is pretty much life as we know it

As already said you get up, get rewdy, yes it's without seeing anything out of the ordinary when nude.
I guess the only real thing that changes is you aren't as worried about the little things

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Karen_A

I'm new here but have been around the community on the web going back to the early 90's (First of on Compuserve). I had my SRS back in 1998 with Meltzer and FFS with DR. O in 1999.

I looked in here because I wanted to see how this subforum was doing.

From what I've seen post-op forums tend not to flourish. The best one I was on was a Post-op only mailing list that at it's height (late 90's early 2000's) had over a 100 members  most of whom were active posters and ranged from newly post-op to those that had transitioned and had surgery several0 decades before. For a time it was a great place for new post-ops and I think some of the old timers got something out of it too...  but it eventually self destructed over lifestyle issues.

BDSM/Vanilla, het vs lesbian, out and proud vs deep stealth... It was over a lot of issues that seemed to be a lot bigger back then than they are now ... times have changed.

There was once a Post-op only section at Beginning Life but it go so little use it was eventually removed.

In general it seems a lot that makes us feel community with others that go though this tends to dissipate over time once "transition" is over. Certainly the main focus in one's life tends to change, particularly if things have gone well...
If not, there is more of a reason to stick around for support.

Also if one tends to have issues post-op that don't change or go away much over the years, there comes a point where there is no point to keep posting about them.

The most common thing afterwards even when things go relatively well,  for obvious reasons,  tends to be relationship issues, about being accepted or worrying weather to tell or not (for those who can blend well enough), or dealing with stress of keeping teh secret, or the issues that can arise from staying married to a woman from "before" can bring.

If anyone here knows me from years back on-line, I no longer am the prolific poster I once was... and have resigned myself to some things in my old age.

Now my primary concern is keeping a professional job until I can afford to retire... nothing too interesting to anyone but me.

I'm not stealth and I think most people i regularly deal with know, but I don't talk about it.

In general these days I am a homebody. My life consists of going to work and coming home to my spouse (I stayed married) going to an occasional movie and taking a vacation once a year usually renting cottage on a lake somewhere.

Basically boring. The things I wish were different at this point I know won't change so there is no point talking about them.

The funny thing is that I will probably need to talk about hormones again. I have been off them for about 6 years and have an appointment next month with a new endo to possibly restart so I may need to talk about that...

Also I have not dilated in about 5 years (was never religious about it before that) and am thinking about restarting ... I suspect I have lost significant depth and width (I needed a graft and the suture line exacerbates the issue)... It does not does matter from a practical perspective... but I don't want to lose too much.

Other post-ops are the only ones I could talk to about these types of issues ...

But  neither of those is the type of "life" issues the thread starter had in mind...

- Karen
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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place Karen_A. I am 33 years post, went 10 years with out HRT and skipped about 10 years of dilation. I have returned to both though the dilation left me walking carefully the first few times. With care you should be able to recovery with out surgery. Feel free to start a thread if you wish to discuss it and I will watch for it.

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Karen_A

Hi Dena.

Quote from: Dena on May 01, 2016, 02:57:06 PM
Welcome to Susan's Place Karen_A.
Thanks!

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I am 33 years post, went 10 years with out HRT and skipped about 10 years of dilation.

While this i not the thread to go into it, I would be interested in hearing why if you are willing to share it. I my case it was a combination of insurance issues and depression.

BTW if you have been in he on-line world a long time, I wonder if we may have crossed electronic paths at one time (I have always used the same on-line name).

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I have returned to both though the dilation left me walking carefully the first few times. With care you should be able to recovery with out surgery. Feel free to start a thread if you wish to discuss it and I will watch for it.

Good to know. Having needed a  graft to get reasonable depth makes me less elastic and more likely to shrink than those that did not have one. When I restart (kind of nervous about i) if I have issues I will start a thread.

BTW calling down voting of posts  "smiting" has a real  biblical sound to it! I certainly don't want to be smited (or is it smitten?) ;)

Thanks again,
- Karen
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 22, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
The truth is, my post-op life is pretty boring. :) I go to work, run errands, feed the cats, etc. I did recently get a new job with a significant pay bump and promotion, so that's exciting for *me,* but I don't expect it to be important to anyone else! I guess, in other words, post-op life is just plain old life, but with a vagina (and since cis women don't find that their vaginas influence much of their existence, I'm not surprised that neither do I).
That's basically it, unless we're celebrity, nobody is interested in other people's mundane lives, after transition life just moves on, working in jobs and dating, 6 years ago I eventually married a man, now a fulltime housewife, it's not important enough for discussion, cooking and cleaning, just another boring housewife, grocery shopping, housekeeping, and woman's problems, life goes on.
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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WishIWereCis

That's just the thing. Aside from figuring out what to do, where to go and how to find the money for a revision, my transition is complete. Being the type not to share too much online, I don't feel too compelled to post what goes on in my day to day life.

I run daily errands, do nessisary chores and visit friends. I was working at a job where only two managers knew about my history (I transitioned while working with one and the other saw my birth name from the background check). Soon I'll be going to school back to school where no one knows.

I refill my meds every three months and with the excepption of dilations, I live like any woman in surgical menopause.

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Sophia Sage

Just pulling this up to put out some ideas of what we might talk about in terms of "post op life" that goes beyond recovering from surgery, dilation schedules, or the banality of picking up groceries.

For me, now in my middle age after transitioning in my early thirties, it's actually been quite profound, possibly because I was lucky enough and stubborn enough to maintain my narrative privacy.  My friendships with women, for example, are significantly different.  How I feel about sex (and what I like to do in the bedroom) has changed immensely.  How I relate to my parents has changed.  In new work situations, the social dynamics are different.  How to practice effective leadership is different.  Even my memories have changed.

I feel like it all comes naturally now, but those first couple of years it was like riding a razor's edge.  I hope to write about these experiences soon, in separate threads, but for this one... anyone else have some ideas for general areas of interest to write about?
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LiliFee

Quote from: Sophia Sage on October 11, 2016, 05:46:33 PMFor me, now in my middle age after transitioning in my early thirties, it's actually been quite profound, possibly because I was lucky enough and stubborn enough to maintain my narrative privacy.  My friendships with women, for example, are significantly different.  How I feel about sex (and what I like to do in the bedroom) has changed immensely.  How I relate to my parents has changed.  In new work situations, the social dynamics are different.  How to practice effective leadership is different.  Even my memories have changed.

I feel like it all comes naturally now, but those first couple of years it was like riding a razor's edge.  I hope to write about these experiences soon, in separate threads, but for this one... anyone else have some ideas for general areas of interest to write about?

As somebody who's lucky enough to even think about going stealth, who's in her early thirties and with SRS next summer, I would LOVE to hear about all of that!

For instance, right now I'm working in this small IT-startup, and I've basically started transitioning here. So people know. It's a nice little 'family' feeling there, we're all hard workers and people genuinely don't seem to care about me being a woman, they already suspected it before and transitioning just put a name on it. Plus, it gave me the freedom to be who I am, so that's great...

... but I'd love to have the chance to really live stealth, because from what I see there's a significant difference in how people react to me. I'm passable but once people know, they still treat you differently. I really notice this with some female friends/acquaintances of mine. I'm 'girly' enough to blend in just fine, I know this from the occasions where I do go 'stealth'. I dunno, for me this is as it was for you, riding a razor's edge. Probably I won't end up wanting to live the rest of my life stealth, but the experience of it seems like a necessary next step for me to grow and develop as a woman.

So pretty pretty pleeeaaaseee..! :D Keep me and those other girls like me posted about YOUR take on this whole thing. I'll live it anyway after SRS, hell I'm already living parts of it now, but it would definitely help me if I know your experiences in doing this whole stealth thing. I don't know about the others here, but to me that's important stuff!

Thanks :D
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Amy Rachel

Yes, post-op life. I had it all figured out after SRS. I first saw myself naked in the full-length mirror and cried with so much relief and happiness it surprised me. Then came the mechanics of post-op maintenance. The dilating. The dilating. The dilating. I got myself a vibrator to make it more interesting because wow, nothing kills an afternoon like sticking a cold dead unyielding piece of plastic into your snooch!

But it got better. Sensation returned in fits and starts, and sometimes painfully, like having needles jabbed into me. Not a great experience when driving on the highway, I can tell you! My HRT actually got more effective, no longer having to fight against the yarbles. (I hope my euphemisms aren't offending anyone.) My boobs kept growing. My hips rounded more, and my fat distribution began to shift more quickly into preferred areas. I'd dieted diligently for years so I was pretty slim, at least for me. Enough of my hair had not waved goodbye that I could grow it out. And I had an excellent and very experienced electrologist who treated my skin kindly while zapping those wires, leaving me peachfuzz. So I passed pretty well, at least visually. I was still in my awkward colt phase in terms of movement. And my voice was barely passable and helped by my appearance. (The phone was not so easy.)

I had in effect been fired from my job where I transitioned (after being told that "of course" there would be no problem). And I was no Laura Jane Grace, but I was in a garage band and got unceremoniously kicked out of that by the guy with the pierced nipples and the other guy with (I was told earlier) a Prince Albert piercing. "Our fans couldn't handle it." That, and the fact that out of some 70 or 80 friends I came out to, I received two mocking replies (with quips about going clothes shopping) and one sincere inquiry and otherwise complete radio silence, meant that I was moving into post-op life with very little connection with my prior life. Oh, that was so painful at the time, but I tell you, that was a blessing because it opened an entirely new life to me, not a life of transition (which itself was a liberation from pre-transition hiding), but the life of a "normal" woman.

And I found that I really wanted to start dating. And I found I was profoundly attracted to men! That had NEVER been the case before. My orientation flipped with my gender morphology. (That happens to a lot of us. I think the idea makes some people uncomfortable. If it happens to you, you probably don't want to tell any guys you knew before. There's a fair chance some will get fairly creeped out reimagining innocent buddy times of the past into encounters with salacious desires.)

I got onto a dating site. I dated some guys. I hooked up with one. And we had sex. And that opened a new world to me. It was something I'd fantasized about (always me as the woman, so it was never something that bled into when my body was all wrong) but the reality was something else. Then I figured I had crossed the threshold of post-op womanhood. (And no, I did not disclose to any of these guys.) I also was date raped. Another threshold for womanhood. I was a feminist before, but now I felt it in my gut. I was the angry feminist. I still am, but the anger doesn't own me anymore.

I'd been told that you don't really know what post-op life is about until five years after. That was true partially. When you live day to day never even thinking about trans stuff or that traumatic pre-transition past, it changes you. Or it changed me. It helped me heal. And I needed healing. (Don't we all?) Just living a normal life—normal in not being burdened by that awful weight, that horrific pain, that desperate despair just from being in the wrong body, the wrong role, the wrong reality. I found new work, met hundreds of new people, made some new friends, all just as another woman with opinions and an inner strength that comes from having survived a horror that I would never wish upon my worst enemy.

And with more years comes more healing. More perspective. And as the worst pains fade and scars heal, you start to notice more subtle ones, the ones that were obscured. (The old joke: One person says their foot hurts. The other person hits them on the head with a stick. "What did you do that for?" the first one demands. The other answers, "You're not thinking about your sore foot anymore, are you?") And I'm coming into work dealing with my ->-bleeped-<- having to do with having been so damaged mentally and emotionally all those years, my bad habits and self-defeating thinking that were conditioned into me when I was trying to cope pre-transition.

And then, just this year, I read a couple of trans novels that had me in tears and I was finally able to grieve for the life not lived, for the loss of never having lived a cis life at all, for how that nearly broke me, and how much remedial work I'm having to do on myself just to try to catch up somewhat. (And I'm talking all inner stuff, mindfulness stuff, spiritual stuff, setting aside of the effects of having a sledgehammer taken to my career and friendships and most of my family.)

So life after transition? For me, it's been finding ways to heal. Finding ways to be a better person. Finding ways to reach out beyond my own pain and truly see others. And you know what? So many people are damaged, not just people with a trans background. Cruelties have been visited upon everyone around us, and they are hurting, too, in their own ways, and maybe that's why so many have a hard time seeing us.

I'm going to stop here. This is only my second post. (My first was in the Introductions board.) I'm glad to be here and "meet" you all.

Amy
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