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Started by jossam, April 30, 2016, 01:52:13 PM

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jossam

Guy pre T here. I work out at the gym and notice I lift as much or even more as the cis guy next to me. I've always noticed I have a good natural strength but obviously working out helped increase it.
When I see myself lifting as much as a cis guy who also works out who is almost twice my size and height it makes me wonder if it's my (crazy?) genetics, or if it's the fact I don't limit myself and don't let my body limit me, or I don't know what else. I'm not saying I have crazy strength, and it's not like I have been working out for decades or something and I have stomach issues that gave me issues and I kinda starved myself for that in the past. It's just that when I see myself lifting as much as a bigger cis guy at the gym it makes me feel like I'm doing good.

I don't believe size equals strength. It's not true and my experiences prove it. Just saying that most people consider big people strong and small people like me very weak. Compared to an advanced bodybuilder I am weak. Compared to average people who don't work out I guess I'm strong.

Earlier I did an exercise where I had to lower and lift a dumbbell behind my head (with two hands grabbing 1 dumbbell). I was doing it with a 45 lbs dumbbell and it didn't even feel very heavy. The other day I saw a pretty muscular and trained cis guy who was lifting the same amount of weight in the same exercise. So I just wondered am I blessed with good genetics and am I blessed with a strong mind that does not limit me, or am I just overestimating myself because maybe those guys are the weak ones and it's not me being the strong one?  ???

I also believe strength is individual. And I don't like when people say that ALL amab people are stronger than ALL afab people or that being afab and pre T makes you weaker than any amab. Its just not the way it works and my experience kinda proves it. Unless I have amazing genetics but I don't really think I do, I feel pretty average.

Been training for 4 years (if I remove the years I took as a pause for health or school issues).
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Deborah

You probably do have good genetics but the real answer was in your last sentence, "Been training for 4 years."

Physical fitness is all about consistency over a long period of time.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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jossam

Well yeah training does help. I was already naturally stronger than what people expected though so I'd say maybe genetics play a role. Then training showed its results. I shouldn't have stopped though....those years when I stopped training did harm to my fitness level. I could have been stronger now if I kept going every month and every year. It was a mistake. I won't stop working out now. If I am busy with something for a few months and I can't go to the gym then I can work out at home with dumbbells and body weight. Stopping was a mistake because I could have been stronger now. Ups and downs in strength happened because I couldn't get myself to train constantly and eat properly when I wasn't motivated enough. Also diet is important and I neglected this side of fitness a few times. Now I am much more positive and motivated. Getting to grab that 45 lbs dumbbell easily made me realize progress happens to me too and it's real.

Too bad my muscles get limited growth because I don't have that male range testosterone in my blood yet, so my strength can grow quickly while muscle growth is slower and limited (and not eating enough for a few months could make me shrink a bit so I should also eat as much as possible constantly or I lose progress).

It just irritates me when people underestimate me because of my size or because of my body (in terms of "physical sex"). It's like ignoring my atheltic value. It's annoying. It's also a sign of being dumb and unnecessarily competitive. I don't understand how some cis men are so arrogant....it's like they feel stronger no matter what. I see guys who first start lifting struggling with weights that are pretty light to me now. But that's ok, after all lifting weights is no joke (and some serious injuries can occur).

Or when that cis male friend of mine laughed about my arms being small. My arms might be small compared to a 6 feet cis male, yes. But to me it's really stupid to do this comparison thing because estrogen dominated bodies and testosterone dominated bodies are different in shape and size. The comparison can be done after a trans guy starts T, not before. To me it seems AS ALWAYS that cis people just want to feel superior. Like when another cis male friend of mine had his leg next to mine (we were wearing shorts) and said "male and female legs differ, look". I was like SOOOO WHAT?
To be honest, my legs are pretty nice to me. It's the only part of my body (face excluded) that I like....cause they don't look feminine. The only difference I saw was the amount of hair (and not all cis guys are as hairy as he is) and the skin color difference (it might also play a role as dark southern Europeans tend to be hairier than the northern looking ones like me). But this way of undermining me just pisses me off. One of the reasons why sometimes I just prefer to hang out with women - cause my female friends treat me like their "brother", that bestest guy friend who tells them if they look good in a certain dress and the one they can trust because he won't look at them in pervy ways. Cis males on the other hand might be like "we're the real men here so we will bother you with all this nonsense competition bs".
Better not mess with me though, I'm one of those people who totally loses control when pissed off, and I have zero tolerance for that "friendly sounding, subtle cissexism". I know cis men compare themselves to others or challenge each other, but doing this with a trans guy pre T is like looking for waya to humiliate him and make him feel less of a man.


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Kylo

Might just be your unique genetics.

I don't work out a great deal atm and I am pre-T, but I have fair upper body strength and an ability to build muscle fast if I do start to exercise. I put it partly down to my past - I did a lot of swimming and lifting as a teen and it's known that if you start training for strength earlier in life it can influence how you grow and lay the foundations for later life.

I've always been a highly competitive individual, and since we know T is capable of causing competitive behavior in men, I don't wonder if I have higher T levels than the average afab, which might also account for the muscle-mass I'm able to gain and keep fairly easily. But I don't know for sure. I wish I could get  test done to find out. 
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Deborah

Even with a lot of T (20 yr old levels when I was 55) I always had difficulty with upper body strength and mass.  I could build it but got much slower and lesser results than others doing the same amount of work.  Lower body was a different story.  That stayed strong and I could build it pretty fast.  So, beyond whatever hormone levels you have there is a strong genetic component to strength and mass building.  It probably stretches to what's happening at the cellular level and includes such things as proportion of slow twitch to fast twitch muscles and the precise location the muscles attach to the bones which determines leverage.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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jossam

Quote from: Deborah on May 01, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
Even with a lot of T (20 yr old levels when I was 55) I always had difficulty with upper body strength and mass.  I could build it but got much slower and lesser results than others doing the same amount of work.  Lower body was a different story.  That stayed strong and I could build it pretty fast.  So, beyond whatever hormone levels you have there is a strong genetic component to strength and mass building.  It probably stretches to what's happening at the cellular level and includes such things as proportion of slow twitch to fast twitch muscles and the precise location the muscles attach to the bones which determines leverage.


Sapere Aude

Yeah, part of it is also genetics. I'm thin and had little muslce mass and little fat so it takes a lot for me to bulk up a bit and not having the right dose of testosterone makes it harder. Still, I see cis guys at the gym who don't have much mass either. But strength is different. I can't complain about my strength at all because it increases quickly when I work out constantly and eat properly, so it makes me happy.
I focus on my upper body because I want to shape my body nicely even before starting T, so it'll take less time and work after that. I might never get that super attractive V shape, but I want nice lats and arms and shoulders. It's just that my current levels of hormones make it hard. I really hate estrogen  :-\
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jossam

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on May 01, 2016, 10:53:44 AM
Might just be your unique genetics.

I don't work out a great deal atm and I am pre-T, but I have fair upper body strength and an ability to build muscle fast if I do start to exercise. I put it partly down to my past - I did a lot of swimming and lifting as a teen and it's known that if you start training for strength earlier in life it can influence how you grow and lay the foundations for later life.

I've always been a highly competitive individual, and since we know T is capable of causing competitive behavior in men, I don't wonder if I have higher T levels than the average afab, which might also account for the muscle-mass I'm able to gain and keep fairly easily. But I don't know for sure. I wish I could get  test done to find out.
I'm very competitive and aggressive. I think it's much more complex than T levels though. Maybe the fact I was born this way and the anger it causes makes me want to just hit everything. Repressed anger issues. Mental issues. I just blame my life really. I'm more aggressive than all the amab people I know who are all cis men. I feel like I'm always against the entire world and want to always hit something or someone. I have a bad temper. My father is like that too, prone to anger and aggressivity, but I'm even worse than he is. He's calmer than me, he tells me it's like I'm constantly mad at the world. Well it's true I am. One of my sisters is like that too. Probably genetics again, or life experiences.
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Kylo

Quote from: jossam on May 01, 2016, 04:50:35 PMI have a bad temper.

Same here. It takes a lot to bring it out but when it's out, it's on.

I also think a great deal of that anger comes, as you say, from the constant frustration that being trans deals out. When it all feels like a joke at your expense you can try to laugh, you can try to rationalize, but in the end it just becomes irritating as hell.

My mother and father both have nasty tempers too. I've tried to control mine so as not to repeat their mistakes and succeeded for the most part, most of the time. Being active helps control the temper quite well.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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