I am having both Electrolysis and Laser at the same time you don't have to wait for one to finish before starting the other, my Electrolysis woman just takes the white ones and leaves the black or dark for the laser to have a go at...I started at once every two weeks for laser but am out to every 6 weeks now. It will not get rid of blonde or white hair...but if it will get rid of 90 to 97%% of the black ones...once the follicle is dead it is dead...it cannot grow back. You will get regrowth with electrolysis but again not the same hair...maybe its because you are removing hairs that trigger the dormant ones to start and surface. Whether or not you have laser you will get the odd few hairs growing through for years to come as the last of the dormant ones surface. That is just the way hair grows...if the Laser takes care of 50% of the hairs that's 50% that does not need blasted off my face with electricity.

You will get a good results with Electrolysis no doubt about it...but I would still consider the laser as an adjunct to the electrolysis if nothing else to save pain, time and money. There are plenty here who will attest to the effectiveness of Laser treatment when carried out correctly with the correct equipment. My clinic guarantees permanent hair removal of between 95% and 97%.

Liz K

I fully expect to end up with electrolysis.  I am happy with the results after three laser treatments; my face looks and feels much more feminine and not seeing as much of a 5:00 shadow.

I just want to say thanks for everybody's input on this subject. It's been causing me a lot of distress to be honest so the feedback has been great.

Based on my concerns about hours required for electro and suchlike I've decided I'm going to get the electrologist to focus on my top lip and chin area and will be getting some laser on my cheeks and underarms (just because!). As my cheeks are pretty much all dark hairs and my chin/lip have a lot of blonde (and has already had one pass with electro) I think this is a good way forward. I also don't really suffer from shadowing on my cheeks. This combo will hopefully lead to good reduction all round and save me some time in the electrologist a chair!


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Quote from: byanyothername on May 16, 2016, 01:45:48 PM
I just want to say thanks for everybody's input on this subject. It's been causing me a lot of distress to be honest so the feedback has been great.

Based on my concerns about hours required for electro and suchlike I've decided I'm going to get the electrologist to focus on my top lip and chin area and will be getting some laser on my cheeks and underarms (just because!). As my cheeks are pretty much all dark hairs and my chin/lip have a lot of blonde (and has already had one pass with electro) I think this is a good way forward. I also don't really suffer from shadowing on my cheeks. This combo will hopefully lead to good reduction all round and save me some time in the electrologist a chair!


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I really hope it works out and you get some great results from the laser. Sounds to me like you have your bases covered. Good luck

Liz K

Had 6 laser sessions then about 150 hours of electrolysis. Nothing left years later.

I started with thermal electrolysis and I had hoped that after over 220 hours that my face would be completely clear. I do not have dense facial hair but they were white color and reddish. My plan was to be clear before srs. That didn't happen and I still have a few white hairs that has upset me. 

I am now post op and living in Thailand and here Yahghee Hospital uses Galvanic. I had a 2 hour session and it was a lot more painful than Thermal. I see the results are much much better than thermal. I will have another session and this time I will use novacane. I think maybe a couple of more sessions will do the job...wished I had used galvanic at the start. It would have been faster and cheape.

Quote from: warlockmaker on May 17, 2016, 05:54:27 AM
I am now post op and living in Thailand and here Yahghee Hospital uses Galvanic. I had a 2 hour session and it was a lot more painful than Thermal. I see the results are much much better than thermal. I will have another session and this time I will use novacane. I think maybe a couple of more sessions will do the job...wished I had used galvanic at the start. It would have been faster and cheape.

I'm curious about a couple of things.

Did you find the novocaine works all over or just in limited parts of your face?

As its a hospital, can they do more serious anesthetics than novocaine?

Would you mind mentioning the cost?

Thanks

Quote from: warlockmaker on May 17, 2016, 05:54:27 AM
I started with thermal electrolysis and I had hoped that after over 220 hours that my face would be completely clear. I do not have dense facial hair but they were white color and reddish. My plan was to be clear before srs. That didn't happen and I still have a few white hairs that has upset me. 

I am now post op and living in Thailand and here Yahghee Hospital uses Galvanic. I had a 2 hour session and it was a lot more painful than Thermal. I see the results are much much better than thermal. I will have another session and this time I will use novacane. I think maybe a couple of more sessions will do the job...wished I had used galvanic at the start. It would have been faster and cheape.

I too had thermal electrolysis and it was very effective. Around 150 hours of it and I was done forever! Depends who does it, their skill level, perhaps the machine, the settings used, etc.

I used a couple of technicians for Thermal. I settled for one who was certified in the UK and had done tg before. The latest equipment was used. The white hairs for some reason are very persistent.

The Yanhee hospital has a funny system.  You buy your needle for 65 usd. This they reuse. The 2 hour session cost  usd 125.  Inclusive of novacane. The novacane is very effective and lasted the full 2 hours, working first on the upper lip area and around the lip. There were 2 young technicians with very good eyesight ..thus they could see the white and reddish hairs.  For those with white or reddish hair we know that they are very difficult to see.

Quote from: warlockmaker on May 17, 2016, 10:37:31 PM
I used a couple of technicians for Thermal. I settled for one who was certified in the UK and had done tg before. The latest equipment was used. The white hairs for some reason are very persistent.

The Yanhee hospital has a funny system.  You buy your needle for 65 usd. This they reuse. The 2 hour session cost  usd 125.  Inclusive of novacane. The novacane is very effective and lasted the full 2 hours, working first on the upper lip area and around the lip. There were 2 young technicians with very good eyesight ..thus they could see the white and reddish hairs.  For those with white or reddish hair we know that they are very difficult to see.

Can you please tell me  where the Novacaine was injected...I am having injections on Tuesday in prep for a marathon top lip and chin clearance. I am not sure how much experience the Dentist will have as to where to place the actual injection so would really like to know if he has done it right. Was it one into the nerve bundle to give you a face block or was it in the lip and the cheek and chin etc

Liz K

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I understand that they are injected into nerves (wherever they are).

If you can't find out any better by the time you have it I'd suggest that you just pick a likely area and focus the electrolysis on that. Electrolysis does take a while and I don't think the injections cover a large area of your face.

Quote from: warlockmaker on May 17, 2016, 10:37:31 PM
I used a couple of technicians for Thermal. I settled for one who was certified in the UK and had done tg before. The latest equipment was used. The white hairs for some reason are very persistent.

Had no white hairs, maybe that's why results came faster.

Quote from: AnonyMs on May 18, 2016, 08:26:04 AM
I understand that they are injected into nerves (wherever they are).

If you can't find out any better by the time you have it I'd suggest that you just pick a likely area and focus the electrolysis on that. Electrolysis does take a while and I don't think the injections cover a large area of your face.

I had a face block done once to remove a  back tooth and although the injection hurt the complete right side of my face was numb for a few hours...something like that would be great.

Liz

The first four full face and neck electrolysis hair removal sessions that I underwent at the Zukowski Center in Illinois included numbing the face with injections of a mixture of lidocaine and epinephrine.  The injections were place at several places on my face (not the neck which was only treated with a numbing cream).  These injections were quite painful with a burning sensation from the epinephrine which is a vascular constrictor needed to prolong the numbing effect of the lidocaine.  I couldn't feel a thing in the first 5 or 6 hours of flash electrolysis, but after a break for lunch, the numbing started to wear off and Dr. Z had to administer more lidocaine so that I could get through the rest of the treatment (9 hours with a girl working on each side of my face). 

At my 5th clearing I was able to get by with just lidocaine cream numbing and 600 mg of Advil (Ibuprofen) for a period lasting 6 hours.  My ability to withstand pain increased with every treatment to the point where I would often doze off once my electrologist and I got tired of chatting...

To date, I've had 200 hours of electrolysis in the past 18 months and spent $20K.  I have only a small amount of hair left to kill off.  Of all the medical procedures I've endured in my transition, facial hair removal is, in my opinion, the hardest to do.  If you anticipate transition in the future, I strongly recommend that you start electrolysis early.  There's nothing I hated more after I started full-time than having to grow out whiskers for 3 or 4 days in preparation for my next electro session.   

Is there any risk to full clearing from the get go or is there any additional risk of scarring from cumulative damage when surrounding follicles are nuked in close proximity.

If anyone did full clearance using just thermolysis how was your recovery time?

Ordinarily I have no to very little pain and I'm ok to shave after 2 days looking like a mild shaving rash at worst and back to normal in 3-4 days but biggest session only 2h so far.

Given the massive number of hours people have had it sounds like a few hours a session is almost pointless.

Quote from: Clara Kay on May 19, 2016, 10:46:51 AM
......................  There's nothing I hated more after I started full-time than having to grow out whiskers for 3 or 4 days in preparation for my next electro session.   

I find this part incredibly frustrating because I have only just started, for me if I have Electrolysis coming up then there is no point in doing much other than staying in Androgynous mode because I seem to be forever not being able to shave. I might get a couple of days a week at most...if the injections I have on Tuesday are successful then I will be doing longer and longer sessions with them. I really hope this works

Liz K

I seem to spend all my time looking Androgynous at the moment due to the constant visits to the Electrolygist!


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Hi Jerrica

It's difficult to generalize, as the risk of damage from a rapid full clearing depends primarily on the skill of the electrologist, secondarily on the equipment and thirdly on hair density.

With accurate insertions the power used can be kept low. Provided that the machine settings can be adjusted accurately the damage can be contained within each individual follicle, the blood circulation in surrounding tissue remains unrestricted and healing can occur from all directions. The skin remains visually perfect.

If insertions are sloppy the needle may not positioned where it needs to be. This means that higher settings are required to kill each hair and results in more tissue damage. If hair growth is dense the damaged areas may overlap, making the healing process less three-dimensional, slower and more difficult, and scarring may result.

Even coarse hair can be safely cleared in one go if the density is low enough, and even thin hair may need to be thinned over several sessions if the individual hairs are in close proximity to each other (especially if the growth direction is not uniform.)

Again provided that the electrologist is skillful, the total cumulative time required to achieve final clearance should be the same whether the hairs are destroyed section by section or using the thinning approach.

Thank you for replying and going over the healing process.

I best go slow and keep at it with guaranteed-ish results instead of gambling.

My remaining growth is not as bad to others as it is to me but the idea of spending the next 30+ weeks growing facial hair makes me feel ill. Should be able to get a better guesstimate tomorrow.

hmm interesting, after much reading and thinking.. yeah do that alot.. i fail to see how a light beam can kill the root of the hair. sorry being a little generic.. knowing how laser beams work, i just dont see it doing a permanent job, since the intensity of the beam would need to be high enough (at which point i believe skin damage would occur.) i sought of think of laser as an alternative to waxing..

but been to several places and i think i will simply skip laser all together, my natural skin tone is olive mixed with anglo-saxon. and laser will not work well on this at all, skin tone too dark. plus when i tan, i go a nice brown, and in winter my skin never goes white... always looks lightly tanned XD

i hope i will be lucky with electro, as it takes around 36~40 hours before i get a 5 oclock shadow.. yup i only need to shave my face every 2 days.

what amount of area do your electro cover per hour? as electro is expensive here in AUS around $135~150 per hour. so for 100 hours i am looking at $13500