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As strong as a cisgender male?

Started by BearGuy, December 10, 2012, 09:12:20 PM

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AnxietyDisord3r

I think some cis women HATE talk of changes on hormones because back in the 50s and 60s people pretended that all differences between men and women, and I mean all, from gender expression, to things like choice of profession that were mostly the result of a patriarchal society and not innate desire or ability, were down to "the glands" (the organs that produce hormones). In your mother's mind, perhaps accepting that testosterone rules muscle development is akin to saying that women's ladybrains aren't good enough to be doctors or CEOs. Maybe explain that T is vital for stuff like fat distro, muscle growth, and sex drive but has not much at all to do with cognitive ability, personality, or, heck, even gender expression (except in utero, when that gender expression tendency is being laid down).

The biggest differences I've noticed pre and post T all have to do with sex, not surprising because sex is what divides men and women. We aren't very dimorphic when it comes to brains, sorry male chauvinists! That's not to say I'm not calmer on T because my gendered brain doesn't run well on E and progesterone, just like most MTFs are twitchy and anxious on T and calm on E, for the same reason but in reverse. But that little fact has no implication for cis people other than that they are fine sticking to their assumed hormone settings and would gain no advantage--and would probably be twitchy as all get out--on opposite hormone levels.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: supremecatoverlord on December 10, 2012, 09:23:23 PM
What she said is incorrect. I'm about as strong as most guys in my gym. I can bench the same amount that you can, but know that's because that's a realistic amount for someone who is starting out bodybuilding and isn't blessed with extremely lucky genetics.  I've also been on HRT for much longer than you have. My problem is more of that I avoided the bench for a long time, because I've always had no one to spot me and that scared me for a while because I'm a tiny guy. I've just recently gotten over it though.
You have testosterone pumping through you and yes, that will help you with bodybuilding, but being born with a body that naturally produces estrogen won't make you necessarily weaker than biomales. What you really should be considering is your genetics, your diet, and the type of workout you currently have when considering matters of strength.
Other than all of this, you should probably look into seeing a family therapist to get those issues with your mom sorted out though. She seems to have some issues with you transitioning, whether she openly admits to it or not.

I've heard that bio women can actually lift more than their size would predict versus bio males. I think this is kind of personal trainer anecdata but on the other hand, there may be something to the split between type I and II muscle fibers, I don't know. In undeveloped areas, women are responsible for toting huge buckets of water long distances. So even if women on average aren't going to win arm wrestling contests, women do have it in them to bear the heaviest of burdens--hell, they carry babies and toddlers around worldwide on their hips--yet are perpetually under estimated.

ETA: just noticed this is a zombie thread from 2012. D'oh!
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Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 06, 2016, 09:57:23 AM
I've heard that bio women can actually lift more than their size would predict versus bio males. I think this is kind of personal trainer anecdata but on the other hand, there may be something to the split between type I and II muscle fibers, I don't know. In undeveloped areas, women are responsible for toting huge buckets of water long distances. So even if women on average aren't going to win arm wrestling contests, women do have it in them to bear the heaviest of burdens--hell, they carry babies and toddlers around worldwide on their hips--yet are perpetually under estimated.

ETA: just noticed this is a zombie thread from 2012. D'oh!

This lol I have much younger brothers so i got used to carrying them about when i was 12-15, and so now i always carry heavy things on my hips (which makes me dysphoric but eff that, I can carry how i want) and my bf will carry things at like arms length and struggle... like na mate, weight distribution
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