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Started by EllenP, July 21, 2016, 09:37:31 PM

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EllenP

Hi all,
I need some style tips.  I am a 60 year old trans woman.  Closeted.  As a compromise to myself I want to start dressing androgynously in public.  So, what do I wear?  I honestly have no clue for age appropriate androgyne clothing but I went to deemphasize the masculine.

Thanks, all
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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popa910

I'm by no means very experienced in this scenario, but I'm currently figuring out my gender identity and as such, I've very gradually started trying to move towards an androgynous look, just like you.  So far, one thing that works for me is wearing tighter fitting jeans.  I like how they feel, and they've got nothing to indicate that they're women's jeans (no sparkles or garish butt stitches).  Just be careful about the bulge; I always hate seeing a guy's junk through his pants, and so I'm particularly careful to avoid that.
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EllenP

Thanks Popa,
I have noticed that most pants androgynes are wearing in photos/images are so much tighter.  But does a 60 year old go tighter?  I was thinking baggier pants, shorts, basically everything.
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: EllenP on July 22, 2016, 04:35:07 AM
I have noticed that most pants androgynes are wearing in photos/images are so much tighter.  But does a 60 year old go tighter?

There are, as far as I can see, two main approaches. On the one hand, you can go for a mix of obviously male and obviously female, and on the other hand, you can go for a look that de-emphasises anything gendered. The choice between these is pretty much up to what feels right for you. Either way, one thing to keep in mind is that it may be necessary to go a little off-centre to balance the possibly still somewhat gendered anatomy. Colours and patterns can make a big difference.

Whether you want tight or baggy is a different question. As people get older, they tend to look for clothes that are somewhat more forgiving – for instance, the tight low-cut jeans that fortunately have started to slowly go out of fashion make even underweight people look like they have a beer gut and love handles, so they are definitely not for everyone. So, if you think a loose cut looks better on you go for it. At just over 50, I'm still happy to show that I've got a better-looking bum than quite a few of the 30-year-old youngsters but at the same time I really don't want people to see my waistline. :)

The bottom line is, go for a look that works for your body and personality. Sorry to not offer anything really helpful...
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Randi

I'm 66 years old, retired, overweight, bald and have very large breasts.

In the summer I like to wear khaki shorts (not too long, above the knee), a polo shirt and tennis shoes.  I wear Nike Pegasus shoes, which is a woman's shoe, but there is not much feminine about them. I keep my fingernails long and well maintained. My legs are strong and shapely and without hair. 

I think the most incongruous thing about my appearance is the combination of obvious breasts and (mostly) bald head.  When I wear my Panama hat, I get gendered female.

I hang out with older classy ladies, like the League of Women Voters and blend in well with them.  Most see me as a man, but a man of a "special" variety.  I also do water aerobics at the "Y".  The class is typically 20 women and 2 or 3 men.  The same thing pertains there.  After a while the women don't see me as much "different" than them.

I haven't owned pair of jeans in a quarter century.

Polo shirts are very versatile.  A larger size hides my breasts (somewhat) and a tighter one is very revealing.  Men pretend they don't see them.  Women, look and smile at me.  I smile back.

Randi   
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LizK

My interpretation of androgynous is more about being comfortable and applies only to when I have to go out, I have both ears pierced and paint my nails with clear polish which alone confuses people and I wear hats all the time as I am waiting on my hair to grow out (including my hair implants which at the moment appear to be plentiful and should give me enough hair to style nicely...in about another 12 months) ...I gave up on trying to look any particular way and decided on what ever is comfortable...but just starting out you could begin by "under dressing" sorry if you already know what this means but for anyone reading this who doesn't, it means wearing the underwear of your true gender ie MTF panties and bra etc FTM, boxers singlets etc

"Under dressing" helped me heaps until I got the courage up to go get a little more adventurous and then I began to experiment with various combinations of women's tops and jeans. People didn't seem to notice and now I wear whatever I am comfortable with while still basically presenting in a male way...nothing overtly feminine but nothing too masculine either...to give you an example I have this great coat I have had for years and is really warm but very masculine. It was so cold the other day I had nothing else to wear out so I wore a really cute scarf tucked in with the collar up and it looked really nice and took the hard masculine edge off what I was wearing. Combined with Skinny jeans and plain black lace up flats and I certainly wasn't looking overly masculine but not overtly fem either. Oh yeah and a spritz of perfume somewhere that you can easily smell, helps if you need a boost...you don't have to douse yourself but maybe in the center of you chest so when you put your head down you can smell it but most other people can't.

Shoes are important for the overall look....flats will work for you if you are careful with what you buy. Have a look at what men's styles are mimicked by women's styles when it comes to flats but Vans will also be a good option. Plain color, solid black... will work with heaps of stuff. Women's Jeans are your friend at our age (kind of...52 ;) ) unless you are going on HRT they won't fit that well but will have the right cut and materiel. Nice track pants or sweat pants also work easily because you can combine them with colorful tops like skivvies and t-shirts.

I hope that helps some...

Liz K

Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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EllenP

Wow, great tips!  Thanks Girls.  I am going to look for the Pegasus shoes.  Never thought of women's jeans.  I can't wait to go shopping!
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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Satinjoy

Quote from: EllenP on July 21, 2016, 09:37:31 PM
Hi all,
I need some style tips.  I am a 60 year old trans woman.  Closeted.  As a compromise to myself I want to start dressing androgynously in public.  So, what do I wear?  I honestly have no clue for age appropriate androgyne clothing but I went to deemphasize the masculine.

Thanks, all

Wear whatever you want....if you like it, enjoy it.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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EllenP

Which is great advice Satin.  I don't know if I would pass the androgynous test but flowery Hawaiian shirts, beige shorts and flip flops have become my style of choice this hot New England summer.   The feel of the soft, cool Hawaiian shirt is wonderful on my skin.  Occasionally trade out the flip flops for topspiders.  I am all set. 

As I live deep in the closet, am married with kids, this little concession to wearing more unisex attire has really made me feel so much better about myself and my dysphoria.  I need to plan ahead to the fall when I start work in a high school.
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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EllenP

I have to say thank you everyone who responded.  It is hard to change a lifetime of habits.  Having to relearn engrained habits and becoming more "open" are hard things to do.  I have now taken my first steps with my wardrobe.
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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Jacqueline

Ellen,

I am less than 10 years younger. I am out to my wife and one of my girls and a few friends. However, I have not shifted too much what I wear(Maybe a little nicer than before). However, women's trousers have always fit me better. So, I have slowly been shifting to an entirely female collection of items I often wore before. I have shifted colors a little too.

Not sure if that is helpful... Good luck.
I wish love, acceptance and a smooth journey to you and your family.

Warmly,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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EllenP

Thank you Joanna.  I was looking at women's shorts this past weekend!
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
― Ellen Wittlinger, Parrotfish
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AndreaW

Quote from: EllenP on July 27, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
Thank you Joanna.  I was looking at women's shorts this past weekend!


Dear Ellen, what I do is wear women's shoes that look like men's.  Like derby style shoes made for women, with no show socks.  Just an idea.


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