Not a chance. Becoming a conformist drone? not for me.

Reminds me of a lobotomy.

No.

So this is a prose in which would make us not feel the way we do. I would not do this as it wouldn't be me waking up, but someone else waking up from the end result. In theory, it would be a way to "cure" gender dysphoria, but it would only exacerbate an issue of morality and scientific discovery.

Questions in which would stem is would we remember what we once were or would it be memories superimposed by the brain implant? Would it be some intertwining of memories from the old or new from the previous life of whose brain it was? Or even would it be sorta like hitting the reset button and thus bring in line an infancy sort of mindset in which has to grow into the new body.

Kate <3
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No because if my brain was changed to identify as female I think id be a different person and I cant imagine who id be. Its like a jackpot to me

Not in a lifetime. I'm as proud trans woman and I have no issue with it. It's our society that cannot accept who we are, they need brain surgery not us.

-J


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No. I'd rather be a trans woman than a cis man.

Nope. My head got worked on enough during my childhood and teen years. So....nah.

Quote from: HappyMoni on July 28, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
I say no! Sorry to any trans men reading this but staying in a guy's body, yuk!
I want the surgery like the one in Young Frankenstein. Set one table up with a trans woman and the other up with a trans man and hit "the third switch!" Presto chango, everyone is happy.
Moni

PS "Put the candle back."

This is spot on so i will borrow this

So nope would never take that surgery.

Okay, so all it does is take away the dysphoria, and leaves everything else intact? In a heartbeat. My entire personality does NOT revolve around my gender.

Quote from: Katiepie on July 28, 2016, 09:10:25 PM
So this is a prose in which would make us not feel the way we do. I would not do this as it wouldn't be me waking up, but someone else waking up from the end result. In theory, it would be a way to "cure" gender dysphoria, but it would only exacerbate an issue of morality and scientific discovery.

Questions in which would stem is would we remember what we once were or would it be memories superimposed by the brain implant? Would it be some intertwining of memories from the old or new from the previous life of whose brain it was? Or even would it be sorta like hitting the reset button and thus bring in line an infancy sort of mindset in which has to grow into the new body.

Kate <3
Always remember to smile your face

You would still have memories, if the surgery goes right. But you would become a cis man instead of a trans woman. So you wouldn't identify yourself as a woman anymore and you would feel the male body is correct, post-surgery. You might also risk getting a difference thinking pattern. It exist male and female brains, where they thinks difference etc.

Quote from: Rafaela on July 29, 2016, 04:58:46 AM
Okay, so all it does is take away the dysphoria, and leaves everything else intact? In a heartbeat. My entire personality does NOT revolve around my gender.

You would still keep some of the personality. E.g. which hobbies, color, food etc. that's your favorites. But how your thinking pattern is might change with the brain surgery. Because male and female brains are difference etc. Therefor men and women thinks and acts difference. E.g. a trans woman who receive a male structured brain instead might think in a more masculine way and get some male habits/behavior.

No, I'd take dysphoria and not transitioning over being male.

I first read your question as 'be cis in my actual gender' which could have meaning in terms of socialization and not having to unlearn male privilege etc.

Why fix what is not broken. Why change when there is no need. Why conform for others. No i would not change who i am for society. Because being a individual that faces different challenges in life makes me better than someone who will never face or understand what it like to be. Such to help society grow from are experience, rather than conform so society will not have to deal with change. There for society would never progress if we changed who we were, even though were not broken. Were just a little misaligned so we just adjust what we can and try to adapt. It may be a harder life but one with more experience and feelings than just a average person.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 28, 2016, 07:56:47 AM
If you were offered a brain surgery so you could turn cis, would you undergo it? If you undergoes the brain surgery, your mind would be changed, not whats between your legs. Then your mind would match your anatomy/biological sex. That means a trans woman gets a male brain and a trans man gets a female brain. If you're a non-binary, you would stop being it and turn a binary-gender - that one that match your sex.
(Btw, I know it doesn't exist brain surgeries that can change your gender "gender change" - literally. But this is just a mind game just for fun)


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Not in this case. my mind is what made me. But if brain surgery means my brain get placed into a cisbody. possible.

No, nope, no. My mind is fine, I'd rather the body be the one that changes completely. And since I don't want anyone else's body but my own, then here is home. I feel if that surgery were even possible, it wouldn't last long. We would always have a deep, untouchable and inherent way of knowing who we were, and that would cause way worse problems. It's like when you fall down some stairs and hit your head. You wake up and you know you have the ability to talk, walk, stand, etc, but you lose that ability to access those skills for a time to even communicate to others you're fine when you're not. Essentially, I'd see changes to my brain as LITERALLY being in prison. My brain has become something else, and who I am, is silently screaming and fighting to be heard, yet I've lost the ability to even bring that into the conscious world subconsiously. I would essentially be a droid of who I was.

Maybe in the past I would have said yes but not anymore. Granted, I self-loathed way too much so I wouldn't have mind being someone else. But in a different mental state, I don't think I would want to be someone else which changing my brain technically would do.

And I presume you are implying the brain surgery is 100% guaranteed to work no problems in this hypothetical situation, because if not definitely would not go for brain surgery!

As a hypothetical question it's sort of the same as "if you could wake up cis tomorrow would you want to". I think more people answered that one with yes than here, maybe the idea of actually tampering with your brain is what puts people off the most. I sure don't like the idea of my brain being tampered with. I know even minute damage to the brain can cause drastic changes to how a person outputs things or perceives things. Someone I know had a small berry aneurysm and the result messed up their sex life because it changed something - although they aren't sure what - in the way their brain felt stimulation. They also became dyslexic.The idea of "surgery" on the brain screams "damage" to it, and rightly so, probably.

Being a cis male is something i dont want so already no, And having some one mess with my brain when its not necessary is a definite no.

The very idea of some medical intervention to take people's transness away -- I don't have words to express just how creepy and horrifying and dystopic that is.  Sure, some of us might wish it (the way some of us might wish for the courage to end our misery by ending our lives), but once we've let the devil out of the bottle, what's to stop the Guardians of Cisnormativity from doing it to the rest of us, all in the oh-so-noble cause of supposedly making us "happier"?  Actually, more convenient for them.  (Anybody remember Brave New World?)

Our transness is nothing but an example of the natural and normal variation you find in any healthy population, but which has been pathologized by the small-minded people who insist that reality has to fit into their narrow little categories.  ("If Reality doesn't fit into my idea of how things are, it's Reality that's wrong, not me.")  It's bad enough that transphobic cis people think that our essential natures need to be eradicated, why do we have to buy into their bigotry?

To quote Jazz Jennings:

Quote from: Jazz Jennings
... for me, being transgender isn't a deep, dark secret.  I don't mind telling people, I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you.

I'm still struggling with the "I'm great" part for myself (a lifetime of being told you're a queer, a freak, and that there's something really wrong with you will do that to you), but hers is the attitude I aspire to.

As far as the disclosure issue is concerned:Aside from a possible romantic partner or a doctor, it's nobody's business. It's not my responsibility to educate the ignorant dullards out there. If they can't be bothered to educate themselves. That is their problem and not mine.

Being trans is nothing more than a medical issue to me. When it comes to that and talking about it. I could say: "Well, take your pick. Which one would you like to talk about?", since I have more than a few things to deal with. But, I don't. Because I don't feel like discussing it with strangers (or my family for that matter).