Quote from: Dayta on December 12, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
I'm curious about your take on ethical issues, what do you think they are: limited resources, as in how do we choose who gets them?

My general view is that we are on equal footing with cis women born without a uterus. So limited resources shouldn't come into play. But you'll have many accusations of "playing God." Miscarriages by these procedures will be looked at as killing babies (nevermind that many women miscarry naturally) and people will inject all sorts of FUD into the debate just to de-legitimize us, and because God.

QuoteRegarding the science, I understand that making the functional cells is the "easy" part.  Getting the cells to come together as functional organs is another story.  Scientists have been able to create replacement bladders by planting created bladder cells from stem cells onto an organic framework.  But the bladder is a pretty simple organ, just a storage tank for all intents and purposes.  (Not that I couldn't use more storage, right?)  They're still pretty far away from building a heart, even though they can create living cardiac cells. I imagine that building a functional uterus is yet another level of complexity.

There is another option which is 3D printing. They're already 3D printing blood vessels and are working on printing hearts made of biological material.

I still think it's a ways off before we reach this point where a MTF can have her own permanently installed uterus though. I would say 30-50 years from now.

Quote from: iKate on December 12, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
During pregnancy estradiol and progesterone levels are many times ours.

IVF procedures also use hormone regimens somewhat similar to what MTFs use. I know because we were IVF patients and had to do the injections daily.

So no real risk. The womb also keeps out the mother's blood supply from mixing with the baby's.

I never knew that. In theory if we raise our hormones to pregnant women level were like at the same biological level of a woman at pregnancy?

Pregnant women are known to be even more attractive... The glow.

Quote from: iKate on December 12, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
My general view is that we are on equal footing with cis women born without a uterus. So limited resources shouldn't come into play. But you'll have many accusations of "playing God." Miscarriages by these procedures will be looked at as killing babies (nevermind that many women miscarry naturally) and people will inject all sorts of FUD into the debate just to de-legitimize us, and because God.

There is another option which is 3D printing. They're already 3D printing blood vessels and are working on printing hearts made of biological material.

I still think it's a ways off before we reach this point where a MTF can have her own permanently installed uterus though. I would say 30-50 years from now.

30 yrs is still relatively okay. Women can still have children in their 50s. I think our hormones keep us younger biologically than in average woman. Like our biological clock never ends... As long as the "equipment" is young and our bodies are artifically running on its own accord.


"The oldest verified mother to conceive naturally (listed currently in the Guinness Records[8]) is Dawn Brooke (UK); she conceived a son at the age of 59 years in 1997 while taking estrogen."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Hell....

This is a genius field to get into... Lots of pieces to this puzzle.

I would love to, but as I will be 41 in February,  by the time this is available mainstream I would be far too old..oh well...

No, as I don't want (any more) children. So unless I was born with a womb, which would be cool, I don't see the point in getting one as an end in itself.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Like many others I would literally do anything for my own child

I have 13 nieces and nephews, another one on the way and one great niece and another on the way. In total this time next year I will have 15

I have no children and would love just one of my own and to experience carrying a child and childbirth would be a dream come true

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'Surgery Could Give Men Wombs of Their Own Within 5 Years' (Lisa Kaplan Gordon, 17 Nov 2015)

Dr. Karine Chung, Director of the Fertility Preservation Program at the University of Southern California's Keck School of Medicine:

   -  'Probably at some point, somebody will figure out how to make that work.'

iKate, sumcr8r, Dayta, Elsa Delyth, Wild Flower, and others:

I can do better than a transplant and all its attendant complications and rejection.

I conducted independent study research at both University of Utah Medical School and University of Arizona Medical School (1981 - 1986) and established the feasibility of using one's own stem cells to activate one's own vestigial Mullerian (or Wolffian) duct system.  In other words, a patient, whether cis or transsexual, would use their own anatomy to develop their own missing 'upper third' female internal genitalia (ovaries, Fallopian tubes, uterus).

My report fell on deaf ears and shock that anyone would dare do such a thing for a transsexual.

That was three decades ago.  My papers sit in a box collecting dust in storage until someone else wants to add to them or put them in laboratory research for true viability

Any takers in the medical community nowadays???  I am still not holding my breath.

(BTW:  This is not the first time I have referred to my study on a Susan's thread.)

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If I were 20-30 years younger I would definitely go for it 

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on December 13, 2015, 07:40:58 PM

I conducted independent study research at both University of Utah Medical School and University of Arizona Medical School (1981 - 1986) and established the feasibility of using one's own stem cells to activate one's own vestigial Mullerian (or Wolffian) duct system.  In other words, a patient, whether cis or transsexual, would use their own anatomy to develop their own missing 'upper third' female internal genitalia (ovaries, Fallopian tubes, uterus).

My report fell on deaf ears and shock that anyone would dare do such a thing for a transsexual.

That was three decades ago.  My papers sit in a box collecting dust in storage until someone else wants to add to them or put them in laboratory research for true viability

Any takers in the medical community nowadays???  I am still not holding my breath.

(BTW:  This is not the first time I have referred to my study on a Susan's thread.)

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Oh wow. If this became viable... I would absolutely spring for it.

Nope, not gonna happen. Kate, you are a highly rational person. Thank you. Sharon Anne, fascinating stuff.

The religiously self-righteous would march with torches and pitchforks if non-cis women could be impregnated with a "precious child" (who they don't care about post-natal).

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iKate, diane 2606:

It is as much about timing as well as the times we live.

If you are old enough, think back to the first half of the 1980s and the right-wing politics that controlled many aspects of American life.

Part of my study included using embryonic stem cells that were otherwise actually tossed in the garbage.  Nope.  Politicians and religious rather throw a fit than develop scientific research.  The mere mention of actually diverting embryonic stem cells otherwise headed for the trash got me tossed from a few offices.

Yep, there does seem to be a baby step forward, so to speak, but politics and religion still control medical science to a great extent.

I proved it works on paper - my research.  The next step was actual lab experiments using stem cells that no one would allow to be used then.  If not then, when???

The extension of my research included the question of whether a person could re-grow other organs or other body parts.  Imagine a blind person re-growing a viable eye.  It is science fiction become science fact.  Stem cells are the building blocks and all they really need is that blueprint from a vestigial cell.

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Quote from: Wild Flower on December 12, 2015, 06:53:24 PM
30 yrs is still relatively okay. Women can still have children in their 50s. I think our hormones keep us younger biologically than in average woman. Like our biological clock never ends... As long as the "equipment" is young and our bodies are artifically running on its own accord.


"The oldest verified mother to conceive naturally (listed currently in the Guinness Records[8]) is Dawn Brooke (UK); she conceived a son at the age of 59 years in 1997 while taking estrogen."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

I don't doubt that older women can conceive. The chances just become less. I've seen women in their 50s at fertility clinics.

Quote from: Wild Flower on December 12, 2015, 06:48:55 PM
I never knew that. In theory if we raise our hormones to pregnant women level were like at the same biological level of a woman at pregnancy?

Pregnant women are known to be even more attractive... The glow.

Yes, in fact some of us are at high levels equivalent to first trimester pregnancy.

I've been asked if I was pregnant by friends (who I haven't told about my history) a few times in fact. I just smiled and shook my head.

YES YES YES Please ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DEFINATELY  .Sorry for getting carried away I think The answer is yes

Quote from: diane 2606 on December 13, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
Nope, not gonna happen. Kate, you are a highly rational person. Thank you. Sharon Anne, fascinating stuff.

The religiously self-righteous would march with torches and pitchforks if non-cis women could be impregnated with a "precious child" (who they don't care about post-natal).

Maybe in the USA but remember we are experts at medical tourism.

If the religious extremists had their way we would be all committed to an asylum. (A friend told me that he would like to see Caitlyn Jenner in an asylum. I asked him what he thought about me and he says nah you're cool. I'm debating whether he should still be my friend :\ )

But if it can happen in other countries we will do it. People hire surrogates from other countries like India already anyway.

Cost will be something to overcome. I don't imagine something like this would be cheap. IVF for cis women with functioning ovaries is expensive. Cheapest about $10,000 plus medications which can add another $10,000 to $15,000. Per cycle. Few get pregnant on the first cycle. Add to that the costs of the other stuff.

But you know what? We made progress over the years. I am confident this will happen. Maybe not now but for future generations.

Definitely!!! But age is sadly against me.

YES

It's a shame that in 10 years I'll be 53.

Absolutely as long it's a womb with a view. Seriously, YES YES YES if it were possible. Luckily I have a boy and a girl that I did the nurture thing with and it was very rewarding. I love my kids. But to have that possibility. That would be the ultimate.