I must admit I have not researched this option much since I am not ready to have it done.. I did not know there were options.. Clearly I need to go into this with open eyes.. There are surgeons I could use rather than the PAI.. I guess its a matter of choosing the right surgeon for the required surgery.. I do not think I would use the PAI for my FMS. If I had the money I would most certainly be going to Dr Jeffrey Spiegel...

Tess...

Quote from: Dena on August 03, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
We are still trying to figure out what they do for voice surgery. The current view based on little information is that they do CTA which isn't a good option unless combined with VFS. Should you learn more about the procedure they use, we would be interested in knowing about in the voice section.

There are several options for voice surgery with some pretty risky and some not very effective. Variations on VFS seem to be the best but for really difficult voices, CTA and VFS can give the maximum pitch change if you are wiling to live with some restrictions. Picking a voice surgery can be as difficult as picking a FFS or SRS surgeon.

What are the restrictions..??

Tess..

Hard to research CTA and VFS.. Not even Dr Jeffrey Spiegel makes any mention to it..   http://www.drspiegel.com/voice-feminization-surgery/  No idea what he charges.. but he is a very expensive surgeon..

Quote from: Tess2016 on August 03, 2016, 10:39:13 PM
What are the restrictions..??

The main restriction is that the range is somewhat restricted. This is not a problem with a normal speaking voice but if you wish to sing, you may not have the needed range. I was willing to have both procedures done if it would have been required but my desire was  to only have VFS in order to maintain as much range as possible. It appears CTA wasn't needed in my case so I can range into the upper male rage to well into the feminine range. VFS goes under several names depending on the doctor so you really need to understand what the procedure is and then see what the doctor provides.

Look with all due respect I find it astounding so many pre op women get so critical of each doctor and his so called techniques.

THe truth is that ANY doctor that is doing this surgery on a regular basis and has done a good number of these surgeries, and finally you have talked to a few of his clients and herd their stories. YOU ARE VERY LIKELY TO be happy with the results!

With that said some of the well known doctors are cheaper than others.

I personally think the hyper critical points of view would be more applicable to getting FFS. Since your face is something the world sees I would seriously hope someone was more critical of the doctor doing FFS than the one making a hole..............

Katie

Quote from: Katie on August 05, 2016, 07:31:28 PM
Look with all due respect I find it astounding so many pre op women get so critical of each doctor and his so called techniques.

I take the opposite view. I'm often surprised by people choices, and the reasons behind them. I don't like to be critical since it tends to cause arguments, but I do have strong opinions on SRS surgeons, both for and against. I prefer to argue for rather than against as it causes less friction, and I'm not here to upset people.

FFS remains a bit of a mystery to me. Its some time off, but I'm starting to research it now. I wish I could see more results in person, but I don't get out into the trans community much. Hopefully in a few years I'll have a better idea.

Quote from: Katie on August 05, 2016, 07:31:28 PM
Look with all due respect I find it astounding so many pre op women get so critical of each doctor and his so called techniques.

While I may have come to the realisation that SRS is not something I need, there was a time when I thought I did want it. As a result of this, I've done my research, done the due diligence. The results of which showed me that the claims made by some surgeons do not stand up to any real scrutiny.

I understand your point of view Katie, but.. I have read some real horror stories.. I really do not want any post opp' issues or any life long issues, or even any corrective surgery at a later date. I feel any major surgery requires careful consideration and we all need to feel confident in who we choose to do our SRS. While most of the final outcomes will be very similar, its the entire journey that needs to be considered. I really want my journey to be a pleasant one. My own SRS has been a long time in coming.. Therefore I am not about to jump in with my eyes closed and eeny mini miny moe my SRS surgeon without careful consideration after researching them. I also do not believe they are all as qualified to do SRS as they might claim to be.

Tess....

Quote from: Katie on August 05, 2016, 07:31:28 PM
Look with all due respect I find it astounding so many pre op women get so critical of each doctor and his so called techniques.

THe truth is that ANY doctor that is doing this surgery on a regular basis and has done a good number of these surgeries, and finally you have talked to a few of his clients and herd their stories. YOU ARE VERY LIKELY TO be happy with the results!

With that said some of the well known doctors are cheaper than others.

I personally think the hyper critical points of view would be more applicable to getting FFS. Since your face is something the world sees I would seriously hope someone was more critical of the doctor doing FFS than the one making a hole..............

Katie

Again I stand by what I said which I am not sure you completely gathered. IF you go to a doctor that is well known, has done this surgery many times, has a good reputation with the gals that used him YOUR LIKELY TO HAVE A GOOD OUTCOME.

Of course you cannot guarantee anything but the odds are you will be happy.

Those of us that HAVE had the surgery for the most part don't argue over who did our surgery. WE are just happy its done. I am sure each and every one of us have parts that look different than the next person JUST LIKE ANY WOMAN ON THE PLANET.

Katie

Quote from: Tess2016 on August 06, 2016, 05:15:38 AM
I understand your point of view Katie, but.. I have read some real horror stories.. I really do not want any post opp' issues or any life long issues, or even any corrective surgery at a later date. I feel any major surgery requires careful consideration and we all need to feel confident in who we choose to do our SRS. While most of the final outcomes will be very similar, its the entire journey that needs to be considered. I really want my journey to be a pleasant one. My own SRS has been a long time in coming.. Therefore I am not about to jump in with my eyes closed and eeny mini miny moe my SRS surgeon without careful consideration after researching them. I also do not believe they are all as qualified to do SRS as they might claim to be.

Tess....

No one goes into srs wanting complications or revisions, I'm in a support group with post ops from all over the world, I don't think anyone had no issues at all, sadly you have to assume your are going to get granulation, pulled stitches, as most people do. What you really don't want is a fistula, but it happens so make sure you know when was the last time they had it happen, and how often they've had it happen. Have a plan for who is going to fix complications after you get home.