Please people wake up. This is not your fiscally conservative party from 10-20 years ago. These people are out to make our lives a living hell. Even the Log Cabin Republicans are freaking out how far right the GOP has become. If they get to appoint the extreme social conservatives they want to the SCOTUS, forget us having any rights for decades. They will make being caught in the bathroom that fits your gender identity a "sex crime" with jail time and lifetime registration to the sex offender list for simple needing to pee.   

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/gay-south-florida/article89235362.html

They also included in their platform this.  " . . . directed to use religion as a legislative guide, with "man-made law" consistent with laws that are "God-given."

I guess they are ok with Sharia Law then?  LOL

They are an American version of the Taliban.


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The fringe will continue to get more extreme as they lose ground in society. The amazing thing is that the GOP now represents this extreme.

In truth, it is a formula for failure but they will line a lot of pockets with money while they are failing. If perhaps 35-40% of the electorate identifies as conservative, in reality only about 15-20% of the people are truly driven by hate, the rest just sort of get fooled into it because of one firebrand issue or another etc.

There truly is a taliban component there but they are small in number, still they wield some power and money for that end of the voting public

And there are some lgbt people actively helping to destroy our community.   Sigh....

The thing is the Democratic party doesn't want us either just our votes like the gay community did to us and then toss us under the bus. I'm voting Republican because I sure don't want Hillary for I know what she will do as president and how much more money the Clinton foundation can make by selling us out,just like the money they made while Hillary was secretary of state and the Russian uranium deal which made them a couple of billion off the deal,look how much they take in from the Muslim middle East. Unfortunately Donald Trump is the only choice this election for our country needs to think about our country and how it's been dying these last 7.5 yrs. 

You can tell people to wake up to reality all you want. The people who want to live in political fantasy land will continue doing so no matter what evidence you show them. This is the only reason LGBT people have ever sided with republicans. Some of them may realize their mistakes now that it is so obvious, but others will continue to ignore you forever. If Mike Pence as the potential VP wasn't enough evidence, then nothing ever will be.

I see the possibility of this election tearing Susan's apart. Each side looks at the other and thinks, "they must be insane to vote for X!"

The real question for me is, can I ignore these threads for the rest of the year and avoid losing all respect for some of my siblings here in Susan's. Heck, can I avoid losing all respect for many of my friends and relations away from here?

 

One thing can be sure of is that such threads will be closed down as soon as they get too controversial.

I shall not have the Forum used as a place of political hate.

I am contemplating an action at the moment and all members safety are in my consideration.

As an Australian I am totally neutral in USA politics and the view point of the Forum is politically neutral.

That neutrality will be enforced, with the right to free speech until a point that hate speech takes over.

Hate speech is not tolerated on the Forum on any topic.

I refer you all to this post.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,204838.0.html


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What a joke. It's ironic that the party who wants to "take back America" has become so extremist. Yes, I called my fellow conservatives extremists.

On the other hand, it's like our media and Hollywood, the education system has become so dominant with liberal thought for last 40 years that we might as well be controlled by a single-party.

I sure hope that whoever wins, we don't have to worry about any real danger to the LGBT community.

Its become quite clear that the bigots and the Sarah Palin types have hijacked the Republican party. I doubt Ronald Reagan could ever get the nomination were he to run in this day and age. He was too moderate and he was willing to work with Democrats in order to get things done for the good of the nation. Todays Republicans just want to burn the place down. The problem is, the Democrats aren't much better. They have been drinking from the corporate trough just like the Republicans. The corporations are running the country, not we the people. I hate that I may have to vote for Hillary, not because I like her, but because I feel Donald Trump would be a disaster for our nation. He is nothing more than a Sarah Palin with a suit and tie. Anyone who would consider using nuclear weapons to take out some terrorists in the desert is just to dangerous to have the nuclear codes.

It's really simple.  Don't vote for the party that wants you dead.  None of the other issues really matter beyond that.

Quote from: Dee Marshall on July 22, 2016, 04:35:05 AM
I see the possibility of this election tearing Susan's apart. Each side looks at the other and thinks, "they must be insane to vote for X!"

The real question for me is, can I ignore these threads for the rest of the year and avoid losing all respect for some of my siblings here in Susan's. Heck, can I avoid losing all respect for many of my friends and relations away from here?

This is a major problem I've noticed in the LGBT so far, people will write you off as a person as soon as they realize your political views are completely opposite. It's hard enough being not part of normal social structure but to be even isolated further from the people who are supposed to understand you is in a much darker corner of life. I don't care if your your of purple skin and have psychological problems, I'm still going to treat you with respect as a sister or brother and give you friendship. It's still "We the people" right?

Quote from: Deborah on August 14, 2016, 12:00:50 PM
It's really simple.  Don't vote for the party that wants you dead.  None of the other issues really matter beyond that.

That is a decent and simple way to sum it up.

Being from the UK, I don't really understand the whole Republican versus Democrat thing, but if we're talking about a very clear divide that has caused me to re-evaluate my friends and family, then you have my utmost sympathy. Having recently had my own country torn in half due to the referendum to leave or stay in Europe, the so-called 'Brexit', I now live in a country where I no longer feel I belong. Where even my own parents have drastically different views to me. They voted to leave the EU, I voted to stay in Europe. I can't stand the bigoted, hatred-fuelled racists that have destroyed my once great country.
So I really feel for all you folks from the US, for whom the poltical system has let them down.

Political policies aside, The Republicans have become an amalgam of conservative evangelicals and white nationalists (not my words, those of a whole lot of political analysts).  The Democrats include everybody else.

This is not how things have always been and is a rather new twist in our politics.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2016/07/29/republicans-in-the-wilderness/#822568c30512

Quote from: Deborah on August 14, 2016, 12:00:50 PM
It's really simple.  Don't vote for the party that wants you dead.  None of the other issues really matter beyond that.

I have to concede that this is starting to overpower all other arguments for me.   I really worry that Clinton desires to engage in a major war.  I disapprove of many Dem. public policy objectives; but to worry about any of that; I kind of have to worry about the right to exist, in a somewhat free state, first.

How can I continue to support a party that thinks it would be a great idea to toss me in the loony bin, discontinue the only meds that work, and then subject me to various negative reinforcements till I say they're right and promise that I'm a straight guy who'll be quiet, go to work, go home, and never do anything that might bring contentment or comfort to my life.

Has anyone notice how Isis kills anyone not towing their for  of Islam,well Hillary and Obama are responsible for this,proven fact. I can't support Hillery because she takes  money from countries that's hate the transgender,she gives lip service saying she supports us but her wallet and values speak differently. I been trying to shy away from discussions lately because I'm not p.c. but a country girl who speaks her mind.

Quote from: rwOnnaDesuKa on August 15, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
I have to concede that this is starting to overpower all other arguments for me.   I really worry that Clinton desires to engage in a major war.  I disapprove of many Dem. public policy objectives; but to worry about any of that; I kind of have to worry about the right to exist, in a somewhat free state, first.

How can I continue to support a party that thinks it would be a great idea to toss me in the loony bin, discontinue the only meds that work, and then subject me to various negative reinforcements till I say they're right and promise that I'm a straight guy who'll be quiet, go to work, go home, and never do anything that might bring contentment or comfort to my life.

Bingo - the alternative is not perfect but it far outweighs the one. The other thing is the whole connection to religious dominionists. Even Reagan in his day warned about that and so did Goldwater. Now a big part of that crowd wants essentially theocratic revival. Not going to go well, never went well, been there and done that as a culture. 

Quote from: Cindy on July 22, 2016, 04:41:08 AM

As an Australian I am totally neutral in USA politics and the view point of the Forum is politically neutral.
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Hate speech is not tolerated on the Forum on any topic.

Cindy
Forum Admin.

Cindy,

Your tone above belies your assertion of neutrality. I'm not saying this as a challenge or protest, just as a technical point of rhetoric. While I agree you don't have a horse in this race as they say, that doesn't guarantee neutrality.

More importantly in my mind I have yet to see any conversation here sink to the level that could be construed as hate speech. If what you mean is you won't allow disagreements to be aired or name calling those are different things. Again, just trying to be clear.

Now this conversation has already started off into political discussion that's got nothing to do with lgbT issues. And so locking it may already be indicated - although it would be my preference that mods delete off - topic posts rather than killing productive discussion that's on topic.

Lastly and again this is a technical point, prior restraint on speech absolutely precludes any possibility of free speech.

I support neither Trump nor Clinton. That being said, I am afraid of what could happen if Trump gets elected. There needs to be a power balance. Having Potus and the Congress in the Republican party spells trouble for pretty much all of us.