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Started by DawnOday, August 09, 2016, 07:42:26 PM

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DawnOday

I should have known what they were going to say as I raised them and I raised them well. I can't tell you how proud I am of them. Sunday we sat down to discuss my will, Power of Attorney etc, etc. When I finished I said I have one more thing to tell you. I laid out my story. My Son told me I have be who I am. Then he gave me a big hug. Dory also took it well and she gave me a hug as well. Their Momma is mad at me for telling them. But now there is absolutely nothing to hide and I feel so relieved. If I was doing the whole transition I would have their support. I told them I may be taking estrogen soon and explained how my body would eventually change. Twenty - thirty years ago a transition would be pretty much a no brainer. If there were the resources we have today. I am looking for the peace in my mind. I was reading another comment and the person was talking about the noise in her head. Man oh man if I get rid of that alone it is worth the risks of taking estrogen. zi am truly blessed with my little family. Now everyone who is important to me has been told. It's pretty amazing because four or five months ago I was looking for answers and my concern was about crossdressing not HRT and femenization. Today I am on the cusp of spending my last years being who I was intended to be.
Dawn Oday

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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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HappyMoni

Dawn,
Coming out to your kids is the scariest thing ever. My kids were great. There is a lot of truth in what you said about them being raised right. A word of advise. Hearing it is one thing, seeing it is another. I eased my kids into seeing me dressed differently gradually. I started subtlety and slowly became more obvious. They told me later that they appreciated it. Congratulations!
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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DawnOday

Dawn Oday

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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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Atom

Well done, massive step.

My daughter doesn't know, she's only 3 and explaining things is made difficult by having a severe speech delay/developmental delay.

She'll know one day, when she's old enough to understand. Sure, it'll be awkward as hell but I'm not overly worried.
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Steph Eigen

Congratulations, Dawn. 

My fear of disclosure to my kids is mainly what keeps me in the closet.  We are very close and I am sure it would be devastating for my adult kids in their late 20's to find out that dad is a woman.  I fear this more than rejection by my wife.

Your courage is inspiring!
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HappyMoni

Steph,
Why are you so sure they would be devastated? Not advising you to do anything here, but I have found most young people are much more flexible and accepting than the older generations. I was terrified to tell my kids (mid to upper 20's). I was at a point where I couldn't take not transitioning, so my choice was made. They were great. It has taken some patience on both sides, but it is working. They respect what I have done.  Have you ever talked with them about the subject in general terms? Maybe you could get a feel from doing that.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Steph Eigen

Touche.  Thank you for your concern and having the good sense to politely call me out on this one.  I don't want to steal Dawn's thunder in this post--I am so happy for her, brought me nearly to tears.  A Debbie Downer not needed here!

I also congratulate you on your success with your kids.

Perhaps my concerns are not rational and more emotionally charged than I can handle. at present.  Perhaps it is mostly projection of my own guilt and insecurity onto my adult kids rather than owning up to it myself.

I am sure my kids have no idea about any of this as I played the traditional dad/husband role, and now grand dad role (also a 17 month-old grandson) quite well.  The irony is they think I am nearly emotionless, tending to be the logical rock and problem solver of the family, something that was a learned behavior and discipline developed in my 20's and early 30's during my graduate education.  Little do they know.  Under this veneer is a very carefully guarded emotional feminine entity that in many ways they would not recognize.

I am quite sure my wife would not tolerate transition, an end to my marriage would be certain.  She, too, knows nothing of my gender predicament.  Curiously, she often complains I am not emotional enough, has accused me of being "Spock," quipping "why don't you get upset like normal people?"  All of this became a compensatory mechanism to submerge the feminine, creating the hypermasculine exterior.  She would welcome a more emotional me but not in the form of a woman replacing her masculine husband.

I am sure you are right about the kids.  They would  not cut off contact with me or hate me.  They are well educated, thoughtful adults and would make every effort to understand my problems.  On this basis, I am overestimating the threat and resulting fear is probably out of proportion to the apparent threat. 

Here's the problem I face:  I don't think I could face them with  this truth.  I lied to them presenting a false facade of masulinity throughout their entire lives.  I have this image in my head of standing before them presenting as a woman, not able to look them straight in the eyes, feeling the sense of betrayal of their trust, deeply ashamed.  I can vividly see the shock and hurt on their faces, the result of my dishonesty over my gender over decades of their lives.  This would be the same dynamic with my wife.

The prevailing mindset in my extended family has been demonstrated again and again in commentary about friends or even other family members who have had extramarital affairs or ended up in divorce, disrupting an otherwise happy,stable family structure.  I can hear the comments:  "Is it so important to dress and act like a woman that you would give up all you have with us [wife, kids, family]?" missing the point that this is not about crossdressing.  It is about living authentically as a woman not like a woman.

I value protecting my wife and kids  from this disappointment and knowledge of this betrayal of trust over my own happiness and pursuit of gender expression.  Alternatively, you might say right now I am not strong enough, not in sufficient pain yet, not desperate enough  to do the hard relationship work to make transition happen.

This makes me very sad in the sense that I don't currently see a path forward toward relief of my dysphoria.  I am looking for therapist now, hoping I can work through these issues.

Thanks

 
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LizK

Quote from: DawnOday on August 09, 2016, 07:42:26 PM
I should have known what they were going to say as I raised them and I raised them well. I can't tell you how proud I am of them. Sunday we sat down to discuss my will, Power of Attorney etc, etc. When I finished I said I have one more thing to tell you. I laid out my story. My Son told me I have be who I am. Then he gave me a big hug. Dory also took it well and she gave me a hug as well. Their Momma is mad at me for telling them. But now there is absolutely nothing to hide and I feel so relieved. If I was doing the whole transition I would have their support. I told them I may be taking estrogen soon and explained how my body would eventually change. Twenty - thirty years ago a transition would be pretty much a no brainer. If there were the resources we have today. I am looking for the peace in my mind. I was reading another comment and the person was talking about the noise in her head. Man oh man if I get rid of that alone it is worth the risks of taking estrogen. zi am truly blessed with my little family. Now everyone who is important to me has been told. It's pretty amazing because four or five months ago I was looking for answers and my concern was about crossdressing not HRT and femenization. Today I am on the cusp of spending my last years being who I was intended to be.

The noise in my head has reduced and did so significantly for the first 2 months. But I put much of that down to the positive effects of the HRT and positive effects of affirmative action, just to be doing something to help ones self. Unfortunately for me that is not self sustaining and by about the beginning of the third month I realised that HRT alone was kind of a tease...this is how much relief you get from HRT...fantastic isn't it...but imagine if you knew you could really get the Dysphoria to shut up by continuing to transition....that's why HRT can be a tease.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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LizK

Quote from: Steph Eigen on August 19, 2016, 12:22:53 AM
Here's the problem I face:  I don't think I could face them with  this truth.  I lied to them presenting a false facade of masulinity throughout their entire lives.  I have this image in my head of standing before them presenting as a woman, not able to look them straight in the eyes, feeling the sense of betrayal of their trust, deeply ashamed.  I can vividly see the shock and hurt on their faces, the result of my dishonesty over my gender over decades of their lives.  This would be the same dynamic with my wife.

Thanks


I have so many questions about that statement. But I won't ask them here... I will say, I think you are being way to hard on yourself...you haven't told lies, you have tried as hard as you could to be what they wanted you to be...how about giving yourself permission to be who you are for a change. Feel free to PM me I would love to be able to help you work it through if I can. I think from what I have read from you that you can get there...to find some kind of peace

Take Care

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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SadieBlake

OP, congratulations that's great news and well done.

Quote from: HappyMoni on August 18, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
Steph,
Why are you so sure they would be devastated? Not advising you to do anything here, but I have found most young people are much more flexible and accepting than the older generations

Prior bad experiences weigh pretty heavily for me, a sister who completely blew her gasket, gf who's remarkably transphobic anytime other people are involved (we're working that out now but only after many years of burying the subject.

My older daughter figured this out about me in her early teens and has been quite unaccepting. I need to call her sometime soon and let her know about hrt. It will be somewhat eased by the fact that we worked thru some other anger issues she'd had a few years ago and she may even be all OK, especially given I have no intention of passing as female. I can hope, I think she's gonna be 100% ok with a father who's simply no longer passing as male.

The younger will probably be easier, as she's always been one to simply take life at face value; has her issues but they're never about other people.

Anyhow, the changes from hrt are no longer mistakable, both are away long term with work / grad school and so I need to do this before they return, I don't think I want to make it a surprise on our next meeting.
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HappyMoni

In the pool of transgender people, there are those with accepting families like Dawn in this tread. Others who would face a mix of reactions. Still others, sadly, who could lose everyone. I was one who was absolutely sure that I would lose everyone in my life. I was convinced that I could never hold my head up and face people once I came out, like Steph said. I made a choice in my coming out that I would be vulnerable and share my years of feeling horrible and feeling like I was being torn apart inside. It opened me up for massive hurt. It also allowed people to see why I really had no choice. I can't tell others what to do. I just know it is a shame for some of us to be stuck if it is not necessary. What if people around you were accepting and you never find out. I don't think people are not strong if they can't do it. Our whole lives are lived one way. It is so hard to imagine that you can change it all and be successful. I guess I want to be a voice that says that we shouldn't cut ourselves off at the knees. I am an example of going from complete disbelief to living a dream. I am lucky, yes. I don't want this to sound like i am blowing my own horn. All I am saying is that sometimes the impossible is really possible.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Steph Eigen

Moni,
Eloquently written. 

The risk must be acknowledged and weighed against the pain of suppressing an important part of the psyche, the adverse consequences to ones life and happiness, ability to function, risk of depression and even suicide.  As much as I would like to transition in principle, the likelihood of an adverse outcome for me seems to be orders of magnitude greater than the personal benefit. 

Since joining this forum, I've had the pleasure of reading wonderful advice and incredible personal histories and recounted experiences of remarkable, courageous people.  It is inspiring and humbling. 

I am patient by nature, will press on.  I am optimistic about the future even though the options to make changes toward transition seem out of reach in the present.

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DawnOday

Quote from: Steph Eigen on August 20, 2016, 05:40:30 PM
Moni,
Eloquently written. 

The risk must be acknowledged and weighed against the pain of suppressing an important part of the psyche, the adverse consequences to ones life and happiness, ability to function, risk of depression and even suicide.  As much as I would like to transition in principle, the likelihood of an adverse outcome for me seems to be orders of magnitude greater than the personal benefit. 

Since joining this forum, I've had the pleasure of reading wonderful advice and incredible personal histories and recounted experiences of remarkable, courageous people.  It is inspiring and humbling. 

I am patient by nature, will press on.  I am optimistic about the future even though the options to make changes toward transition seem out of reach in the present.

Steph
I was 28 when I ruined my marriage to my first wife because I was keeping secrets. When I started therapy 5 months ago I was still seeking answers that happened 37 years ago. I had for the longest time blamed it on her for having an affair. I now realize my desire to be a woman overrode my desire to please my wife and I was actually sabotaging our relationship. But you know what? I married up this time as wife 2 is absolutely the most honest, compassionate, wonderful person ever. Good luck to you, When things seem most dire, there is hope. Don't let anyone tell you different.
Dawn Oday

It just feels right   :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_kiss: :icon_kiss: :icon_kiss:

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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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KathyLauren

Quote from: HappyMoni on August 20, 2016, 09:39:26 AMI just know it is a shame for some of us to be stuck if it is not necessary. What if people around you were accepting and you never find out.
My experience is like Moni's.  I was in a lather about coming out to my wife.  I was sure that she would leave me.  The best case scenario I could envision was some kind of grudging tolerance.

When I did come out (in no small part thanks to Moni's gentle prodding), I found my wife to be totally accepting.  Almost her first words were, "Whatever you decide to do, I will support you," and she has lived up to that promise.  I couldn't have chosen her better if I'd known what I was doing!  :o

When it comes to predicting our loved ones' reactions, we are sometimes our own worst enemies.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Steph Eigen

Liz, Kathy, Dawn, Moni;

Thank you for your generous comments and support. You give me hope and courage.  I just need sort this stuff out in my mind, carry out risk triage, figure out the timing.  I'm in this for the long run!

I can't sufficiently express my appreciation for the warm friendship and acceptance I've found here.  It is remarkable.

Thank you again.

Steph
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HappyMoni

Quote from: KathyLauren on August 20, 2016, 07:03:00 PM
When I did come out (in no small part thanks to Moni's gentle prodding), I found my wife to be totally accepting.

When it comes to predicting our loved ones' reactions, we are sometimes our own worst enemies.

Hey Kathy, I'm glad you saw it as "gentle" prodding. lol I was so proud of and happy for you.

I am a bit torn sometimes. Maybe you all could give me feedback. When someone has a positive story like Dawn does (and actually I do as well), it can be difficult for me to know whether to share that. It would be horrible to me if my good news made others feel bad. On the other hand, as my therapist tells me, people need to know that good outcomes are out there. For many, the world does a number on our heads. We need to have hope like Steph says. I remember, as I was just starting to think that transition could be possible, I found a website called WeHappyTrans. No one contributes anymore, but when I found it, it was full of positive stories of successful trans people. People were happy and they had done it. Well, it really helped me to see that. I needed that.
I have to say, when I hear that someone feels like they must remain hiding their true selves, it feels real personal to me. That was me for 50 something years. I am newly transitioned, so I can't say if I am successful or not. I can say that I will never again live in fear of someone finding out my secret. I wish that for all of the wonderful people on this site.
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Rhonda Lynn

Quote from: DawnOday on August 09, 2016, 07:42:26 PM
I should have known what they were going to say as I raised them and I raised them well. I can't tell you how proud I am of them. Sunday we sat down to discuss my will, Power of Attorney etc, etc. When I finished I said I have one more thing to tell you. I laid out my story. [....]

Dawn, congratulations on raising great kids and on finding the courage to be honest with them. You are taking so many positive steps in your life. I bet this feels like an incredible load to have this veil of secrecy standing between you and your children.

Hugs,
Rhonda
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Sspar

My oldest son , (28yrs ,very high level autistic, does not deal well with change  )was taken back a bit at first, but quickly became very accepting..
My middle son. ( 24yr ) took  the attitude that I was a embarrassing slob as a male, and now i am just as embarrassing as a female ( not a slob though ).. so there is no difference.. ( I took it as a win )...
My youngest Daughter ( 16 yr ), is upset because she has to have periods and I don't have any.. other than that she has been great..

Before I started my new life, I convinced myself that my family would be better of with just the memory of a father, Thankfully I was very wrong an I am very proud of my family,

Darn it, you guys made me cry again..
new beginning 5/15...
HRT 7/15...
BA & Bottom 10/26/16 (Rummer)...
VFS 11/16/16 (Haben)...
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KathyLauren

Quote from: HappyMoni on August 20, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
I am a bit torn sometimes. Maybe you all could give me feedback. When someone has a positive story like Dawn does (and actually I do as well), it can be difficult for me to know whether to share that. It would be horrible to me if my good news made others feel bad. On the other hand, as my therapist tells me, people need to know that good outcomes are out there.
I think most of us came here initially because we were stuck in some dark place and we were looking for some light at the end of the tunnel.  I think that good news stories like Dawn's are essential.  We need role models, we need positive outcomes, we need stories of courage and success, to fill in the times when those are lacking in our real-life worlds.

It is important that we can share our fear and pain here and help each other with them.  But if that were all there was, this would be a very depressing place.  It gives me hope to be able to read someone's happy story and give my laptop a virtual high-five.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Rhonda Lynn

Quote from: KathyLauren on August 21, 2016, 07:34:11 AM
I think most of us came here initially because we were stuck in some dark place and we were looking for some light at the end of the tunnel.  I think that good news stories like Dawn's are essential.  We need role models, we need positive outcomes, we need stories of courage and success, to fill in the times when those are lacking in our real-life worlds.

It is important that we can share our fear and pain here and help each other with them.  But if that were all there was, this would be a very depressing place.  It gives me hope to be able to read someone's happy story and give my laptop a virtual high-five.

Not to spin this thread off on a tangent, but yes. I was very strongly affected by Renee Richards regrets. It was Renee who first made me aware that there were other people like me in the world back in the 1970s. So when I heard about her regrets, it was affected me on a deep level. Like the fall of a childhood heroine.

We need to hear about some positive outcomes to give us hope.

Honestly I can say to you all, I do not regret my choices 26 years later. My life is no fairy tale, but I have found a little share of happiness which is much better than the misery before.
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