Hello everyone im new to this group my name is Karina and I need help please, Im looking for an SRS surgeon in thailand. Any recomendations? I read some articules about dr Saran, Dr Preecha, Dr Chettawut but Im not sure who to go with.

I apreciate any recomendations or if you had srs in thailand and would like to share experience.

Thank you so much

Love karina

There many surgeons in Thailand, and may reasons you might choose one over another. What are your priorities? For example, price, wait list, recovery time, aesthetics, hospital facilities?

Here's a really good post on PAI.

My wonderful surgeries SRS, BA and FFS at PAI Bangkok
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=204651.20

Dr Suporn is also a well known Thai surgeon. There's something about him here.
https://www.the-ress.net/files/SRS-With-Dr-Suporn-2015.pdf

There's many, many posts on Dr Chettawut if you search for them.

Thanks for the reply, im not looking for the cheapest or more expensive, price is nor really an issue even thoe i Have a budget set, im looking for the most eperienced dr, and more natural and aesthetics look. I know there are many srs surgeons in Thailand but is there one in particular that you would recomend that does am excelent job?

Thank you 😊

It's very difficult to judge the ability of surgeons, there not enough information published about them. I've seen more far about Suporn and Chettawut than any of the others so that makes me more confident in judging their skills. I wouldnt choose a surgeon who I was unsure if, there's too much risk for me.

I like looking at independent post op photos and I've found more for Suporn, and they are generally very good. He also the most expensive, longest wait list, and most difficult recovery. Still, I'd choose him. Plenty of people choose the others, so you have to judge for yourself. Read the pdf I linked.

There's stories of people having problems with all the surgeons, so that makes it even harder.

Welcome to Susan's Place. My surgery was so long ago that I have little knowledge of the current batch of surgeons. What I will do is move the tread where you will get more response. If there is anything I can do for you, let me know.

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I have already moved it to Gender Correction Surgery for you. I just play with a few settings, click a single button and it's gone. Oh the power trip 

Hi there,

Welcome to Susan's As you'll see from my footer I had my SRS with Dr Chett, I love him and am happy to answer any questions you have about him honestly without any bias

If you are looking for the most experienced surgeon I'd contend that would be Dr Preecha because he's not only been performing SRS operation for over 30 years he trained all the current big name surgeons in Bangkok. There are many girls on here who went to PAI (Preecha Asthetic Institute) they won't all have had surgery with Dr Preecha but he trained whoever did perform their surgery.

I will send you a private message with some info.

Hugs

Sorcha 

I don't think Preecha does srs anymore, not himself anyway.

I had SRS with Dr. Sanguan in Phuket. I didn't have a successful outcome. YMMV.

Quote from: monamtb on July 26, 2016, 02:12:31 AM
Hy V ,

Can you please specify and explain that???
I had my SRS with Dr.  Chettawut and had a number of issues I was unhappy with: urination stream forwards  upwards,  clitoris  too big and urethral tissue as vaginal fourchette .

I went to Dr.  Sanguan for revision on July 7th and the care,  the revision surgery and the results now are spectacular and I would highly recommend Dr.  Sanguan to anybody who wants a natural result that works really well.

Hmm, well I did post about my experience in another thread, but I'll try to go through briefly again here:
Dr. Sanguan was very caring and the hospital and staff were very supportive and made me feel extremely comfortable. There was nothing wrong with all that.
What was wrong for me became apparent over the course of the 6 months following the surgery:
- Indescribable pain during dilation, that steadily got worse as time went on, I had to stop dilating after 6 months because it was simply unbearable. (and I have a high pain threshold, years before my SRS I broke my back in an accident and am in constant pain and discomfort, but the dilation pain was something else!) In the end I just could not take such dilation pain. Maybe I am just not "tough" enough, and everyone else who had a successful SRS outcome was just able to take more pain than me? Who knows... But I could not imagine being able to have sexual intercourse whilst experiencing such levels of pain.
- Constant infection and soreness, which has never gone away, even 13 years post-op, I just have to walk for about 30 mins, and it gets really sore down there.
- I don't know the medical term for this, but there was too much erectile tissue left directly above my vaginal opening, and if I get aroused at all, it swells and shuts the opening almost completely.
- Insufficient hair removal during the two procedures, meaning I now have hairs inside, and these can become infected at times
- Asymmetrical appearance of the vaginal opening, the RH side sags down noticeably more than the left, it doesn't look good.

I was to embarrassed to admit anything was wrong initially, and tried to "tough it out", but when I did contact Sanguan, I was told I'd have to pay outright for another complete operation/s to try to sort the problems. And at over $20K, it's way more than I can afford. I used my life savings to pay for the initial SRS, and so I have no hope of a favourable outcome now.

Weighing it up, I cannot say that it has been really worth it, because although I no longer have male genitals, which I'm very happy about, my life is now just as compromised, but in different ways.

I wish I had had the operation done in the UK, because at least then I might have had some kind of comeback if there were any problems. My life now is basically a wretched and sexless existence.

So there you go, I'm pleased you had a good outcome, but as with any surgery and surgeons, there's no such thing as a guaranteed successful outcome.

The pain problem sounds a bit like what this Suporn girl experienced. She ended up going back after 6 months or so for a revision which I believe is very unusual.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NatalieLBG/videos

All the to surgeons are equally good in aesthetics and success. They do have an artistic difference in how they design the labia. 

All being equal PAI with srs with Dr Pteecha's two surgeons Dr Sutin and Dr Burin would be the least expensive at usd 8,600.

Quote from: monamtb on July 27, 2016, 12:32:55 AM
Hy V,

I am so sorry to hear that.

Actually the dilation issue is something that a number of full-graft-vaginoplasty patients experience,  I personally know quite a number of Suporn  girls who experienced the same.
I also had quite a big assymmetry on my genital that Dr.  Sanguan fixed wonderfully.

I suggest you contact Dr.  Kaushik from the Olmec  clinic in India. I can send you his details in a PM.

His Sigmoid  colon surgery will cost you 2000. -  us dollars and he is the world's most experienced Sigmoid  colon surgeon.
He favors that surgery technique exactly for the reasons that happened to you,  hair removal is unnecessary and also depth and lubrication are excellent.
Dilation and aftercare are very different,  since there is no graft shrinking of the vagina due to it being a colon segment. You will have to accept a c-section like scar though,  which gets created by getting the colon segment.
Money wise that might be a very good option for you and the countless results on his websites speak for themselves. 

A question I'd like to ask :
Where you hating your body when you went into surgery?

You don't need to be sorry. I am happy that you got a good result with Dr. Sanguan.
My main point is that there is no such thing as a guaranteed good outcome, no matter which surgeon you choose, it is part skill, and part luck. I just have to try and deal with the consequences, as my profile saying suggests.
What really burned me is that I was not offered some kind of revision surgery, or at least some discount? After all, it was his work that has gone wrong, but I got the standard "This is what our SRS procedures now cost" e-mail reply. That was that, nothing else, not "sorry you're now stuck as some kind of eunuch because my surgery didn't work properly".
Yeah, I'm bitter.

I have nothing against Dr. Kaushik, but there is no way I will be going to India for any surgery. I tried the "far flung country abroad for surgery" once, never again.
I might possibly consider a Western European country, but certainly no further away from my home in the UK than that.

Why do you ask if I was hating my body when I went into surgery?
What has that got to do with anything?
Of course I was not on the best terms with my body, hence the whole surgery thing?
I did consider a "cosmetic" (no-depth) surgery in the UK, as my GP has a surgeon friend who offered such a procedure, but everyone I talked to about it said that as I was young, I would regret not going for "fully functional" female genitalia. In the event, ironically that's exactly what I got.

I'm just getting all het up now with this reply. I'm still extremely upset about it all, especially as I now have a young heterosexual male partner, whom I cannot satisfy 'properly'.
That's why I originally started posting on this site, to try and explore what options I had. There are some days where I can cope with it, but some days I just want to throw myself off a cliff to get away from it.
Dysphoria is weird, I went from having a male body I did not want, to having a female body that doesn't work properly. Neither is a good place to be, but at least being female now feels a lot better to me that staying as male, as that would have most certainly ended in suicide.

Quote from: AnonyMs on July 27, 2016, 12:40:43 AM
The pain problem sounds a bit like what this Suporn girl experienced. She ended up going back after 6 months or so for a revision which I believe is very unusual.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NatalieLBG/videos

Yes, I saw her videos, and I am glad she went back and got things sorted. She did have access to a bewildering array of very powerful pain killers. Unfortunately, due to complications, the strongest painkiller I can take for extended periods of time is paracetamol. Having been on very strong painkillers for years due to my spinal injury, my stomach/digestive tract became very adversely affected by them, to the point I cannot take such drugs at all these days.
I took much longer to face trying to seek help for my problems, because everyone around me was critical of my complaining at that time. It was all "Well you did go to Thailand, so you got what you deserved", or "Isn't this what you always wanted? yet now all you do is complain about it". So I shut it all away, and tried to "tough it out". And eventually I couldn't put it aside any longer, and now I'd have to put myself through the wringer once more in the pursuit of "happiness"...
huh

I've done a quick write-up of my PAI experience today. It wasn't the full SRS, just orchiectomy, but it will give you some idea of what's involved. See it as a supplement to Warlockmaker's one.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=212657.new;topicseen#new

I have nothing but praise for PAI.

V I realise when I posted my reply above I hadn't read up carefully your experience: I had searched for PAI so was posting about that.

I am so so sorry for you with what you have gone through. Would you be eligible for some corrective work under the NHS? They surely cannot leave you in a situation of such pain and with recurrent infections?

x

Quote from: Richenda on August 29, 2016, 02:17:57 AM
V I realise when I posted my reply above I hadn't read up carefully your experience: I had searched for PAI so was posting about that.

I am so so sorry for you with what you have gone through. Would you be eligible for some corrective work under the NHS? They surely cannot leave you in a situation of such pain and with recurrent infections?

x

Hey, bless you for the kind thoughts. 

I did try to get help through my gp, but that didn't get very far.
He tried many tests and treatments, but we just couldn't sort it out. I think my body just really hated having SRS inflicted upon it, regardless of what my brain was thinking.

The original NHS issue was that (after referral by my gp) I was actually accepted for initial assessment at the Charing Cross GIC. This was way back in 2000, and even though I wasn't based in the London area, there were so few GIC's, that it was actually my closest NHS option, despite being a 3 hour train ride away.
My first appointment at Charing Cross turned out to be the single, worst, most humiliating and upsetting experience that I have ever had since starting on my 'trans journey'.
I wasn't actually living full time when I went there, and it was one of the first times I had been out dressed in female attire, wig, make-up, the works. It was a really big deal and a massive step I was taking, I was full of trepidation and slightly terrified, yet very driven to make the journey there.
When I arrived, the doctor I saw was very sharp, matter of fact and insensitive. During the appointment he asked me to remove my wig, which I reluctantly did. Then his phone rang and he told me to immediately go and stand outside his office so he could take the call. I did so, wig in hand, revealing my balding messy hair underneath.
This was a busy NHS hospital, and I was now standing in a main thrufare corridor, like some naughty school child, standing outside the classroom door. Plenty of people stared, some laughed and pointed.
I wished the ground would open up and swallow me whole, remember this was one of my earliest trips away from home, presenting as female. After about 10 mins, a passing nurse took pity on me and took me down the corridor to a private side room with a mirror where I could re-tie up my hair and put my wig back on and sort my appearance out.
Then I went back to waiting outside the room, although I actually just wanted to run, run, run home as fast as I could.
The irony was that on conclusion of this first session, they offered me a follow-up appointment, hah (!) Yeah right, sorry but wild horses could not drag me back there. Not evah!
So I saved my money and went and saw Dr. Russell Reid, privately, instead, and experienced a completely different "treatment method", where I was treated with respect and compassion and care. Yeah, it was expensive, but make no mistake, Russell saved my life, he deserves a knighthood!
So with that, away went any chance I had of getting any gender-dysphoria related treatment from the NHS.
I did try though!

I'm so sorry not to reply sooner V. My mum's in intensive care so it has been a bit hectic.

Your experience at the Charing Cross GIC sounds absolutely horrendous. I still think the whole RLE thing is a bit crazy: it's like sending a new recruit to the frontline in order to train as a soldier. That must have been such a degrading and humiliating experience. Asking you to remove your wig sounds absolutely bizarre to me. I think I'd have launched a formal complaint about your experience?

It's not the same but I had a friend describe me as a freak, which was then repeated by another friend after I told him

I was wondering more if you could get seen through your normal GP rather than the GIC? You have been left with debilitating injury which, even if as a result of private surgery overseas, has left you in pain. Could you not raise that for GP referral on surgical / medical grounds as distinct from GIC? It's just a thought and I don't mean to interfere.

Big hugs x

Quote from: Richenda on September 01, 2016, 01:46:04 AM
I'm so sorry not to reply sooner V. My mum's in intensive care so it has been a bit hectic.

Your experience at the Charing Cross GIC sounds absolutely horrendous. I still think the whole RLE thing is a bit crazy: it's like sending a new recruit to the frontline in order to train as a soldier. That must have been such a degrading and humiliating experience. Asking you to remove your wig sounds absolutely bizarre to me. I think I'd have launched a formal complaint about your experience?

It's not the same but I had a friend describe me as a freak, which was then repeated by another friend after I told him

I was wondering more if you could get seen through your normal GP rather than the GIC? You have been left with debilitating injury which, even if as a result of private surgery overseas, has left you in pain. Could you not raise that for GP referral on surgical / medical grounds as distinct from GIC? It's just a thought and I don't mean to interfere.

Big hugs x

Hello Richenda,

There really is no need to apologise about not replying sooner! Especially so as your Mum is far more important than an internet forum! I hope she is OK.

I never expect any replies anyway, most of my posts on here elicit no reply, it seems to be that kind of place.
So your reply is a nice surprise

Yeah, my Charing Cross GIC 'experience' was pretty damned awful. Their RLE rules are exactly as you describe, being sent to the frontline as a new recruit, just to get some training. And additionally not being given a gun to fight back with until you had been shot at for at least a few months (assuming you survived that long).
The reason he gave me about asking to remove my wig was so he could see the condition of my actual hair, so as to help him make a 'more accurate' (yeah...) "assessment of my chances of having a successful outcome from living in the opposite gender to that which I was assigned at birth".
Of course, as I didn't have a full and lustrous head of very feminine hair, that meant I was damned to a wretched life of wearing wigs, and living under rocks as a sub-species...

Any friend I had that described me as a freak would most likely cease to be my friend shortly after!
And I truly mean that, 'If you're not along for the ride with me, then please get off!' That's pretty much been my motto.

As I said, I did work with my GP over a number of months to try and sort out the pain and infection problems. He really tried his best, and we worked through all manner of tests and medications. But in the end, we had both had enough of trying fruitlessly to resolve things, and so I just let it all slide.
I suppose I could go and see him again, maybe things have moved on in the NHS nowadays?
Although I expect not, especially after hearing that folks can wait up to 4 years to be seen at all by their local GIC.

I really don't know what to do.

Quote from: Serenation on July 08, 2016, 07:35:28 AM
I don't think Preecha does srs anymore, not himself anyway.

No but he has trained a superb team which he still oversees.

Hi Karina and welcome! If you search in the box top right you will see a few threads on this. For example:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,213526.0.html

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,212657.new/topicseen.html#new

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,203552.new/topicseen.html#new

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,204651.new/topicseen.html#new

I do really love PAI (Dr Preecha) but the tendency on here is for all us girls to champion those we went to, for good reasons, so read around and find what's best for you. When someone like Sorcha who loves one clinic tells you another is very good I think that's also worth noting, but see I'm a bit pro PAI Good luck honey x

Quote from: monamtb on July 27, 2016, 12:32:55 AM
Hy V,

I am so sorry to hear that.

Actually the dilation issue is something that a number of full-graft-vaginoplasty patients experience,  I personally know quite a number of Suporn  girls who experienced the same.
I also had quite a big assymmetry on my genital that Dr.  Sanguan fixed wonderfully.

I suggest you contact Dr.  Kaushik from the Olmec  clinic in India. I can send you his details in a PM.

His Sigmoid  colon surgery will cost you 2000. -  us dollars and he is the world's most experienced Sigmoid  colon surgeon.
He favors that surgery technique exactly for the reasons that happened to you,  hair removal is unnecessary and also depth and lubrication are excellent.
Dilation and aftercare are very different,  since there is no graft shrinking of the vagina due to it being a colon segment. You will have to accept a c-section like scar though,  which gets created by getting the colon segment.
Money wise that might be a very good option for you and the countless results on his websites speak for themselves. 

A question I'd like to ask :
Where you hating your body when you went into surgery?

Hey monamtb!

can you send me a pm of this Indian surgeon? i saw pictures on his pages and the results look amazing! would be probably good consideration for this poor trans girl. He doesnt seem popular at all though here at susans.