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I wish I didn't feel this way.

Started by aaajjj55, August 26, 2016, 02:47:58 AM

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Janes Groove

Wow. There's so many issues here and it's tempting to address each one but in the end it comes down to the question. What is going to make me happy?

When I was in the closet on any given day I could think up about 1000 different reasons not to come out and transition.  After I came out I realized most of the fears were only valid in my imagination.

Looking back most of my "nobody would ever want to be transgender" thoughts were usually tied to specific people in my life who were not okay with it and never could be.

I never married so I never had all that to deal with but getting past all the transphobia for me was still hard.  I had 57 years of transphobic experience to deal with.  Much of it self-inflicted.  Much of it not.

Society is changing at a breakneck pace on this issue.  My experience is that many of the old fears and issues I dealt with going back to the 60s just don't apply anymore.   There is no shame. There is nothing wrong with you. Goddess doesn't make mistakes.

I never thought I would see a day where things were like they are now.  In the end I just couldn't take the risk of not taking the risk and I threw the dice. No regrets. And if you look at pictures of me then and pictures of me now you see a different, happier person.


Quote from: aaajjj55 on August 26, 2016, 02:47:58 AM
Would I consider transition if it meant losing everything (home, possessions etc. in addition to family) and be forced to live on benefits? 

The question I used to ask myself was "Would I trade living 20 years as a man for one week living as a woman?"

Quote from: aaajjj55 on August 26, 2016, 02:47:58 AM
  I have XY chromosomes

That's true, but there's an x in there as well as a y, and it sounds like the x is wanting something more from life.



One final thought. And this was the one that really moved me off the "should I or shouldn't I" stuck place. I would look at elderly men around my town and I finally asked myself 'do I really want to grow old as a man, becoming an old man, ever more grizzled and male and miserable till the end?'

Hugs. And don't  ever give up on the real you.

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Steph Eigen

Amanda,

To reiterate the thoughts offered at one of the initial responses to your post, your experience is very typical of the stories you will read on this site.  The majority of us are not the TG poster children who figure this out in childhood, transition early in life and functionally live as the girls or women we know we really are, happily ever after.  There are plenty of 50-somethings, myself included, who have had virtually the same experience you describe, repressing and coping decade after decade until the need to come to some reasonable resolution of the pain comes to a head in midlife. 

There was one passing reference you made in your original post that caught my attention, to the effect of salvaging whatever is left of your marriage.  It is clear from the quite insightful analyses of your situation by other members who have responded that there is a clear and common  tendency for the wife to try to displace anger back onto struggling TG husband, making her the victim of thoughtless, selfish pursuit of his desires to he the "guy in a dress."  AS others have discussed, this is not a position (trap)  to which you should not allow yourself to fall pray.  I wonder, what  condition is your marriage really in independent of the looming TG issues that cause you personally to struggle?

It might well be the critical question, the elephant in the room, to ask whether there are larger, more fundamental  problems either with your relationship or your wife's own personality structure and coping mechanisms.  Ask yourself if the marriage is itself viable or reparable if in danger.  Ask yourself it  makes sense to relegate your own mental health to a lesser status than that of possible futile efforts to salvage a failing marriage.

If the marriage is clearly salvageable with likely stability capable of withstanding the struggles to come and you judge you are not being pathologically manipulated by your wife, then it might be worthwhile to expend the energy up front, now, to repair the marriage in advance of adding the stressors inherent to the process of tackling your TG issues and possible transition. Alternatively, if you carry out "due diligence" with your wife and judge SHE is selfishly unwilling to work on the marriage or invest the support and love needed to get you through the coming struggles, you will probably be better off in the long run to come to an understanding with her about the likely terminal condition of the marriage and the potential benefit to both of you to move on, expecting the marriage to formally fail and end.  A failed marriage involving minor children is always a catastrophe but one that most kids ultimately survive and in the end, usually are  better off as a result.

There are several potential outcomes at this decision point.  If she is in it for the secondary benefit of home, income, etc.  She will not be as likely to hit the road but will attempt to manipulate behavior though setting ultimate or making threats.  Capitulation is never a good option.  Threats  that take the form of "If you do X, I'll divorce"  are terrorist devices.

I am struggling over disclosure to my wife.  I am not afraid of her resorting to any of these sociopathic behaviors or manipulation.  I do fear her not being able to find a way to stay with me on the basis of numerous other considerations such as her intense need for total honesty, something we have enjoyed throughout our entire >30 years of marriage.  She would see this disclosure as overt betrayal, failure to be forthcoming with the truth.  It would be betrayal just short of an extramarital affair.  At a more selfish level, I am quite sure she would be unable to stay with me over the lesbian implications, unable to face the social implications with friends and in the community.  I would urge you to carefully consider these issues as well.

At a personal level, I still struggle with the question of whether I am strong enough to take on the enormity of the task ahead if I were to transition.  In a perfect world, I'd want to get up in the morning, look in the mirror as I brush my teeth and see an ordinary, average looking 58 year old woman.  I'd love to put on age appropriate gender congruent clothing, conservatively applied makeup and some nice understated jewelry and a pair of simple ballet flats and  go to work doing what I do now.  I like be addressed by students and colleagues as "Steph" (pen name here); life going on, business as usual.  This is unlikely to ever happen as described but there is surely some compromise position in my future.   I may be able to achieve some relief of dysphoria, retain my relationship with my wife, manage my public persona without damage to career and social circle.  I am yet to determine exactly what that arrangement ultimately look like be but I am confident now that some workable solution is within reach.  I am confident you will be able to find one as well.

You seemed to fear a generic recommendation to enter therapy in you initial post.  Much advice has been offered in response to your post; insights on par with what some of the best therapists might offer.  Still, you should consider therapy.  You will be able to delve into specific issues in greater depth than possible here on the forum and form a therapeutic relationship that may become an important tool in surviving the hard work that is to follow both with realizing your personal path to address your TG issues and to manage your family and marriage.

I hope you feel welcome here and feel you have found likeminded friends that care about your life and fate.

Steph

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Steph Eigen

Amanda,

Read this thread.  Amazingly good analysis and recommendations there over the situation of another forum member struggling with wife and family situation.  I think it will offer helpful insights for you to extend to your situation as well.

Steph
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aaajjj55

Jane Emily - thank you for sharing your thoughts.  I do think that the existence of the family makes answering the 'what is going to make me happy?' question far more difficult.  I think you are so right when you say that the majority of fears exist only in your imagination but, certainly, I think that if I didn't have others to consider, I would now be at the 'lets give it a go' phase.  Yes, the experiences of others in this community have underlined what is achievable and, importantly, the personal happiness it can bring but there is always the risk that the cost of the collateral damage to others and its personal impact is too high a price to pay.  What I have, realised though. is that this whole thing is eating me up from the inside and I now need to take some steps towards inner peace and becoming the real me.  This will almost certainly be through compromise one step at a time but that has to be better than standing still.

Steph - thank you for replying.  I agree with everything you say and know from your recent posts which I contributed to that we face very similar turmoil.  The spouse issue is do difficult to navigate - don't want to discuss the T-thing when things are OK as it may ruin everything, don't want to discuss it when things are bad as it'll only make things worse.  So I keep quiet!

I know that this is not a sustainable situation and, thanks to the wonderful people in the 'Susan's' community, I have far more answers now than when I last discussed it with her a couple of years ago.  As mentioned above, I will be looking for compromise which I think gives me the best hope of inner peace; this is made easier by the fact that my dysphoria centres on a yearning for the female lifestyle rather than a deep seated belief that I have been female all my life.

Thank you also for sharing the link to the parallel thread.  I read it all this morning and draw personal comfort from the realisation that, for many, the turmoil is far worse than I am currently experiencing (but, equally, feel incredibly sorry that anyone has to be subjected to this type of thing.

I hope that you soon find the strength to discuss your feelings with your wife and, more importantly, the discussion goes well and enables you to start on your journey, wherever that may lead you.

Thank you again

Amanda
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Bob Wascathy

Amanda,

Seems we have very similar problems. Last year, fed up of the accusations of my being "secretive", of being a liar, of having another woman, I told my wife of my issues. She accused me of all sorts of things-said I was selfish-that I ha said what I did deliberately to upset her. Like you, the dreams started at an early age, the dreams that I was just out doing normal things but dressed in "female" attire. I too felt a sense of shame at my actions. I was made to feel "wrong". I can't offer any words of help, other than, I have some idea what you're going through. And I know how impossible this situation is.
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Steph Eigen

Silence, living with this unrevealed aspect of our lives is analogous to the "death by a thousand cuts" phenomenon.  It is insidious, so easily propagated over years of our lives.  The daily obstacle of tolerating the dysphoria and general unhappiness over not realizing an authentic day to day life is too easily rationalized away as a reasonable trade-off for family, spouse, children, work.  Each day is managed, tolerated but the sum of days and suffering is deadly.
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aaajjj55

Cathy - thank you for your thoughts.  As I put on my post on your thread, I understand what you're going through and I know that the challenges you face are particularly taxing.  As they say, though, a problem shared is a problem halved!

Steph - spot on as always.  One day I hope we'll all look back on this as a mere 'blip' to our happiness but sometimes that day looks like a very long way off.

With best wishes to both of you and I hope that you soon find the inner peace you so desperately crave.

Amanda
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Janes Groove

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Quote from: aaajjj55 on August 30, 2016, 03:00:36 AM
But there is always the risk that the cost of the collateral damage to others and its personal impact is too high a price to pay. 

100% correct. But there comes a point where stuffing one's true self has unseen and often quite destructive effects upon those around us. Either in the form of not fully being present when others need us to "be there for them."  Or perhaps sly and subtle passive aggressive behaviors that we may or may not be aware of.  And to be honest psychologists and doctors tell us stuffing one's feelings all the time is not healthy.   It's really not a good plan for the future, in my opinion, and it sounds like you are starting to realize that. An anecdote that might be relevant here is how when one gets on an airplane one is advised that in case of emergency to always put on one's own oxygen mask first.


Also, and to be honest I have no idea, one way or the other, if this may or may not apply here, but I'm sure it will apply to some trans people who read this. Often times the closet has glass doors. Other people can see what's going on in there but they don't say anything to us because really, in the end, everyone has their own process.
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TX16

Amanda,

I relate to you on a lot of levels. I don't have any good insights to give sadly. I too am struggling with the "what should I do" question. I have an unsupportive and unconvinced husband, so I know the feeling. I wish I could offer some good words and advice like everyone else, but I have nothing. In the end, it is an extremely personal and difficult decision to make. I am rooting for you, knowing what you are going through. Good luck with everything, no matter what decision you finally make.

JoanneB

Quote from: Jane Emily on August 31, 2016, 11:11:25 AM
100% correct. But there comes a point where stuffing one's true self has unseen and often quite destructive effects upon those around us. Either in the form of not fully being present when others need us to "be there for them."  Or perhaps sly and subtle passive aggressive behaviors that we may or may not be aware of.  And to be honest psychologists and doctors tell us stuffing one's feelings all the time is not healthy...
Spot On

Slowly and insidious it was. This happy care free person morphing into a lifeless soulless "Thing". No hopes, no wishes, no dreams, no joy. Only doing, begrudgingly so my wife says, "What was expected". It wasn't until the excrement hit the air handler, Yet Again, in my life, also snatching away any or every other sense of who I was, what I was, did I wake up the reality.

Though I thought I was in hell back then, I know now my angles were there alongside me waiting for me to ask for help. I'm one of those few people able to say "I'm glad I got fired". My life is now enriched by all the pain, all the grief, all the anguish, it caused.
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AnxietyDisord3r

It seems like it must be really hard to bear when a same sex partner invalidates your gender identity. After all, they've been living it their whole life so they must be the expert, right?
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