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Estrogen Hormone going to be forced to a FTM?

Started by PeterSteele, September 08, 2016, 05:38:10 PM

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PeterSteele

Hey I'm back remember my post from back in July 25th 2016 https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,212535.msg1881861.html#msg1881861
Well It finally got pushed aside and to the past. Until today..My Step Mom got a call from my Doctor. (I'm back with my dad and his wife) My step mom told her about my gender issue and stuff and the doctor still made an appointment for a endocrinologist September 21st 2016. My step mom said this right after I came home from school and heard the news. "I don't know if hormones have to deal with the transitioning but you need to have this so you don't get cancer cause its bad for uneven hormones for a girl. I know you WANT to be a boy but you know you have to do this. This will also help your SEXUAL DEVELOPMENT." She doesn't understand the concept.. I don't want my breasts to get bigger I don't want to be shorter (women stop growing faster on Estrogen thats pretty high ) I don't want to have periods frequently I don't want to have my hips to widen or my thighs to get more feminine. I just want the Endocrinologist to just leave me be or just block my estrogen. I really am wanting to risk my life (cancer) cause I don't want this to happen. I wish I could just get on Testosterone and get a Hysterectomy and Top Surgery and Phalloplasty. My dad doesn't accept me for it so I can't tell him. My step mom does everything my dad does and also doesn't understand it. Only my mom does but I can't live with her..
What do I do?
Peter Steele Θ
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Elis

Again call social services. All modern science has proven hormone treatment to cure transness does not work. Once the brain has formed in the womb that's it. I'm sorry you're going through this man; I really wish I could offer easier advice.
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Katiepie

As Elis says, call social services.

If at all possible, you can help your parents (all three), get informed on the subject of what you are going through. Maybe even becoming a bit harsh on the severity that it is causing you, to even consider the fact you would rather not live if the route so governed would not be in your favor.
Some parents are thick headed, especially when it comes down to "what's good" for their children. Until they realize their way is not the right way of how it works. Maybe putting a big perspective on what it is, how emotional it is for you, to the even severity it could cause you physically. If they love you enough, they will eventually come to terms, but depending how you go about telling them how it is you really feel. And I am saying telling, not inquiring or asking them, but flat out putting it out there.  This is though a kind of last resort method to stick to. The best bet would be rather a group therapy session, so they can understand your point of view from a "professional," I put that word in parenthesis because in actuality we are the professionals of our own reality, and everyone else is only a mediator in the grand scheme of it all.

Of course even if it were attempted forced hormone of the wrong cycle, you could always stand up and say you will not take it otherwise, as you are your own individual, and your mom should understand that, and respect it.

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Kylo

I don't know where or in what practice they can reasonably force someone to take estrogen, and definitely not "to prevent cancer". Estrogen has a higher incidence causing cancers in genetic females than T does apparently...

If you're going to see an endo, maybe talk to them and voice your concerns. There's a chance they'll be rational and reasonable, unlike your family. They also can't force you to take anything.
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Dena

When you see the Endo, explain that you are transgender and need to see a gender therapist before you receive any treatment. Also indicate that should you be forced to receive any treatment that you don't approve of, you will seek legal action when you reach legal age for malpractice.

As for your step mother, two suggestions. Turn the argument around and tell her she doesn't need to remain a woman and you might consider giving her this letter.
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PeterSteele

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on September 08, 2016, 07:11:28 PM
I don't know where or in what practice they can reasonably force someone to take estrogen, and definitely not "to prevent cancer". Estrogen has a higher incidence causing cancers in genetic females than T does apparently...

If you're going to see an endo, maybe talk to them and voice your concerns. There's a chance they'll be rational and reasonable, unlike your family. They also can't force you to take anything.
The main reason is because of my imbalance :(
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Dena

I suspect the imbalance is because you are intersex and you should mention that to the Endo. In the past, doctors took the attitude that fix the hormones and that will fix everything. It doesn't work that way and it will only make you  feel more uncomfortable. At this point I would not expect the doctor to start you on testosterone but you should be evaluated for both intersex and ->-bleeped-<- before any treatment takes place. If the doctor attempts anything else, it's malpractice time because that doctor needs to retire.

I can't stop what is going to happen in the doctors office but you need to prove that you know your stuff and are ready to fight for the proper treatment. If there is anything we say in our posts that you don't understand, ask questions and learn about it before your appointment.
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WolfNightV4X1

im not sure if my hormone levels were ever abnormal in the slightest but when my mom found out she insisted she take me to the doctor, get checked. If my levels were 'fine', she would have concluded I was lying and that I was just in a delusional mindset, if it were unbalanced she was going to have me pumped with estrogen to 'fix' me. I dont know which one is scarier, that I never had any physical imbalance to prove that something was wrong with me and Im not delusional for how I feel, or that I should be pumped with something that would make all the things I hate about my body worse

Im not sure if T "causes cancer" but Id rather take that risk and see doctors than sit here and be idifferent about myself my entire life


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PeterSteele

Quote from: Dena on September 08, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
I suspect the imbalance is because you are intersex and you should mention that to the Endo. In the past, doctors took the attitude that fix the hormones and that will fix everything. It doesn't work that way and it will only make you  feel more uncomfortable. At this point I would not expect the doctor to start you on testosterone but you should be evaluated for both intersex and ->-bleeped-<- before any treatment takes place. If the doctor attempts anything else, it's malpractice time because that doctor needs to retire.

I can't stop what is going to happen in the doctors office but you need to prove that you know your stuff and are ready to fight for the proper treatment. If there is anything we say in our posts that you don't understand, ask questions and learn about it before your appointment.
Thank you hopefully I can get it to stop
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Xirafel

It sounds like a really really bad idea. All it does it create more reasons for someone to be depressed, possibly leading to an eventual suicide depending on how bad the trans tendencies are. But then again, I'm pretty ignorant about the whole topic.

I'm a lunatic though so I would act as if it's a matter of life and death, if I was in such a state, but that's just me. My advice is totally not anything which should be confused with something said by a professional.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: PeterSteele on September 08, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
The main reason is because of my imbalance :(

50% of FTMs have elevated T levels pre-everything. The rate among cis women is much lower, maybe 5%.  So there, you have PHYSICAL PROOF you are likely trans on top of you telling them so. Dena is right, the endo needs to know ASAP that you are a trans man and that feeding you estrogen will cause gender dysphoria and could lead to your disability or death.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Is there a free LGBT health clinic in your area where you could see another physician and get another opinion? Is there a trans support group in your area where supportive adults could get you in touch with a supportive therapist who could talk to your parents and explain what is going on with you? Some avenues to think about if nobody at the school can help you.

You are 100% correct that more estrogen is a terrible idea. It will make you sick. My own body pumped me with tons of estrogen and it made me very sick and ruined my life as a young adult. I dropped out of college at one point, thought about suicide constantly, was too depressed/anxious to get the job I wanted, made other bad decisions, had trouble making friends or doing anything because of agoraphobia--when I say ruined my life, I was back at home living with my abusive mother in a home environment that was making my allergies rage with student loans due and no income wondering why other, "normal" people could seem to get through life without any bumps.
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PeterSteele

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on September 10, 2016, 06:55:18 AM
Is there a free LGBT health clinic in your area where you could see another physician and get another opinion? Is there a trans support group in your area where supportive adults could get you in touch with a supportive therapist who could talk to your parents and explain what is going on with you? Some avenues to think about if nobody at the school can help you.

You are 100% correct that more estrogen is a terrible idea. It will make you sick. My own body pumped me with tons of estrogen and it made me very sick and ruined my life as a young adult. I dropped out of college at one point, thought about suicide constantly, was too depressed/anxious to get the job I wanted, made other bad decisions, had trouble making friends or doing anything because of agoraphobia--when I say ruined my life, I was back at home living with my abusive mother in a home environment that was making my allergies rage with student loans due and no income wondering why other, "normal" people could seem to get through life without any bumps.
Wow. I'm sorry about that. I'm not sure since I just moved. But I'm in New Braunfels,Texas.
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Alexthecat

Quote from: PeterSteele on September 10, 2016, 01:50:48 PM
Wow. I'm sorry about that. I'm not sure since I just moved. But I'm in New Braunfels,Texas.
At the very least there should be support in your neighbouring big cities of San Antonio or Austin. Austin now has Crane who does bottom surgery.

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Berserk

@PeterSteele

I agree with others, you should definitely try to get in touch with a trans organisation or centre if not in your city then one that's still within your state. If you can't get there in person, at least email them to ask who you could talk to about your situation and then to explain your situation. If social services isn't doing anything about what is blatantly an abusive situation, then you need to find someone who will fight in your corner and that'll be a trans org of some kind. Also was wondering how old you are? If you're 16 already considering moving out from that environment as a last resort could also be something to think about or start planning for. It'd be tough but could also well be what things come down to to get out that situation.

Good luck, and definitely email a trans organisation or centre in your state about your situation. They likely deal with similar situations on a semi-regular basis and would know how to help you out.
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