Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 13, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
You did a good choice when it comes to hairstyle. It frames your face in a feminine and a good way which looks nice. You do pass at most of the pictures, but you do pass best at the second and third picture. In addition you pass better at these pictures than the last one, where your brow bridge looks more visible, due the shadow that hits your face. So getting natural light in your face is a big advantage in order to both pass and look even more feminine, since the feminine features in your face gets more visible/highlighted.

So long story short: You pass at all girl-mode pictures, but you pass better at the two first girl-mode pictures. But you doesn't pass as a woman in the picture with short hair.

Lol... thanks? I think you may have missed the point of my posting. It was basically that hair makeup and wardrobe make "passing" possible. I'm far from passing in the mornings.

Quote from: Harley Quinn on October 14, 2016, 12:14:05 PM
Lol... thanks? I think you may have missed the point of my posting. It was basically that hair makeup and wardrobe make "passing" possible. I'm far from passing in the mornings.

Anyway, now you knows my opinion. Sometimes I wants to say if I'm agree or disagree with a person, because people have difference views at things. Here is a example: If a person thinks they suits yellow clothes, I can either say I'm agree with them or disagree with them. Getting several opinions from several people might be helpful perhaps? Because if the person who believes they suits yellow clothes aren't 100% sure, it's easier for them to say if several people shares their opinions. At least, this is a "Do I pass?" thread where you may get many honest replies. If you don't want any opinions at some pictures, you can wright it in the description

EDITED:  Some people mistook this for a personal attack.  It certainly wasn't intended that way.

My apologies, everyone.

Wow..... yalls responses seem like y'all are attacking her because I would get offended if I was her. I think she looks androgynous is the first pic..... she also has short short hair in it tho. Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you. I don't think these threads are good because they make people develop insecurities. Maybe y'all should go out in public instead of on here to see if y'all pass because that's the only way you will learn what actually looks good on you or not because photos sometimes lie.

This thread suddenly starts to sound like a presidential debate for some reason.

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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 14, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you.

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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 14, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Wow..... yalls responses seem like y'all are attacking her because I would get offended if I was her. I think she looks androgynous is the first pic..... she also has short short hair in it tho. Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you. I don't think these threads are good because they make people develop insecurities. Maybe y'all should go out in public instead of on here to see if y'all pass because that's the only way you will learn what actually looks good on you or not because photos sometimes lie.

This thread is a "Do I pass?" thread and people are supposed to give feedback to each other; to people who post pictures here. If they don't want feedback, the thread is perhaps not for them. I have given several people many honest replies that is seen as honestly brutal where I told people they doesn't pass. Appearance have a lot to say in most cases when it comes to passing from what I've seen. Just because some people tells other that they doesn't pass doesn't mean they hasn't tried hard enough and it doesn't mean they looks bad either. Anyway, I hasn't seen the comment, but I'm telling my opinion at commenting others people appearances related to passing abilities.

Hi friends 

Let's calm things down a bit please

Thank you

V M

Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^



I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think?

Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think?

You looks androgynous for me, so it's hard to tell. But you have a great potential to pass. If you presents yourself in a feminine way with feminine clothes, (perhaps) makeup and behavior, it would be a bigger chance for passing. You can go both ways when it comes to gender, if you wants to.

 
Let me make it clear. People posting in a threads such as this should expect the unpleasant, unappreciated remark. I have to admit it amazes and amuses me that you take such consideration of some of the 'panel' members with any consideration at all!

I keep the thread because people like it, if it becomes a thread of hatred and ill feeling I shall close it.

It is your call.

I shall and I will take to task people who are being rude and nasty. So please consider your remarks before I decide to look at you in all of your glory.

Cindy.

Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^



I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think?

For me, you look feminine and beautiful, girl!  You don't need makeup to see a girl on you. You are doing so well!

Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^



I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think?

I think you're doing great    What impresses me most are your happy and confident expressions 

Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 12, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Two months hormones, plus new wig.  How am I doing?

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Bad angle, for comparison:

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Sorry Karlie Ann, but you don't pass at all.  Your masculine features are just too strong to begin with.  And 2 months on HRT isn't nearly enough time to significantly alter one's face.  You're doing better though!  Compared to some of your older photos, your choices in accessories (such as wig, eyeglasses, are much more feminine).

Quote from: MarioandSonic on October 14, 2016, 11:47:46 AM
Not started HRT yet

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MarioandSonic, you don't pass yet either.

Look, it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT.  It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try.  They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT.  It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity.  If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.

I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest.  It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum.  Because the answer will almost always be "no, you do not pass.  Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 16, 2016, 08:37:43 AM
Sorry Karlie Ann, but you don't pass at all.  Your masculine features are just too strong to begin with.  And 2 months on HRT isn't nearly enough time to significantly alter one's face.  You're doing better though!  Compared to some of your older photos, your choices in accessories (such as wig, eyeglasses, are much more feminine).

MarioandSonic, you don't pass yet either.

Look, it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT.  It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try.  They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT.  It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity.  If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.

I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest.  It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum.  Because the answer will almost always be "no, you do not pass.  Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".

I'm 100% agree with you and you're right. Passing is very difficult and it's just a few percent who really can pass as cis. [Almost] everybody needs to be at HRT for a long time in order to pass including the right clothing, hairstyle, makeup and surgical procedures. It's very common that trans women needs FFS in order to pass, because the testosterone is much stronger than estrogen. Therefor the strong masculine facial features is difficult to remove, but a trans man's face can easier get altered on testosterone and they would then easier becoming passable in general speaking.

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 16, 2016, 08:37:43 AMLook, it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT.  It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try.  They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT.  It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity.  If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.

I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest.  It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum.  Because the answer will almost always be "no, you do not pass.  Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".

Just to add to these painfully wise words, and hopefully soften them...

For the vast majority of us, it will take more than HRT to bring our physical presence into alignment with our inner selves.  HRT will not reshape your forehead or your mandible.  HRT will not change your voice.  HRT will not get rid of your beard shadow.

It takes a long time to address these things. 

Facial hair removal is crucial, and so is voice, if you really want to pass.  And, in all likelihood, facial surgery.  I had to do all these things to get gendered female day in and day out.  It took time and money and effort.  It was a real bitch.

The good news is that if you get your voice down (it'll probably take many months, sorry), it will change your presence in person, as will many months on HRT.  You will still get read on occasion, but it will be sympathetically -- and with a great voice and personality, people will want to help you.  In the meantime, though, certainly play with makeup and hairstyles and clothing.  Figure out your style.  It'll help you be more comfortable in your own skin, and that will translate into confidence, which in turn will help out in the big bad world.

What both Karlie and Sonic should take comfort in is that while you don't pass, a female spirit nonetheless shines through.  Let her be your guiding light.

Another thing I would mention is that the list is long for some people when it comes to what to do, in order to pass. But it's nothing wrong with not passing, so you doesn't need to do everything if you feels comfortable with that. Some people needs to do more than other people, because our bodies are difference and the genes and how early you started transition do also matter in many cases.

Common "bucketlist" some people goes through in order to pass.
- HRT
- Electrolysis/laser facial hair removal
- FFS and Adam's apple removal
- Voice surgery
- Voice training
- Hairstyle, makeup & clothing

I know I don't and will never pass 100% of the time, despite many years on HRT and 'the works" with Dr. O back in 1999.

That is simply because of my build. That likely would not have been an issue 30+ years agom but too many people are aware of us and know what to look for these days.

That said even before FFS, after about 8 months on HRT (about 1997-98) , while presenting as male, I was almost always taken as female by wait staff, was smiled at by strange women on the street, and it was not uncommon that when men saw me in the restroom they wondered if they were in the right restroom.

Back then, I got read read as male more when I was presenting female (and i did not dress very fem or inappropriately, just unambiguously female)  ... 

Basically What that said to me was  people have certain expectations for certain body types... and if you meet them, that can take a you a long way. (Of course in the long run it helps if those expectations come close to matching who you are...)

These days I don't get read much at all... but still do occasionally (most 60+women don't get a lot of attention)

I know i do pass reasonably well. I had a nurse practitioner do a PAP smear on me without suspecting I was postOp (Gyn told me how surprised the nurse was when she told her I was TS).

Relatively recently I went to new Endo in a major medical center here. Because of records mixup I had to spend like a half hour dealing with front desk people.  Apparently the endo had only dealt with TSes that were early on... she was obviously surprised by how well she thought I passed and said that no one there had a clue... And asked me if I was partnered with or dating a man. (As I said I don't think she has seen many TSes that passed well)

That said, sometimes (though very, very rarely), I still (particularly from those who see me initially from behind) obviously get read by strangers on the street.

The combination of big hands, big feet, broad shoulders, barrel chest and no hips to speak of can't always be overcome.

Basically if one has a reasonable body, all else can be overcome IMO. That said, I have only met a very few in person (so experienced the whole gestalt ) over the years, that I thought did pass 100%.

Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^



I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think?

OK, first of all, you two are a super cute couple and I think all you need to pass are some accessories like earrings and a cute bag. You have very feminine facial structures. I don't think you need makeup at all, maybe some lipstick but that's it.

All the best to both of you.

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Jessica

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