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Started by marssu, October 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AM

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marssu

hello girls!

I know i am not the only girl here wishing for the surgery to be sooner but i need your help now.

My surgery should be on may but i cannot wait for that long. Ive been going through this transition for 4 years now and it is getting really tiring. I also live in Finland where the surgeons are not as experienced compared to other countries. So that means you will either get perfect outcome or busted one. I dont know how am I going to live my life if I get bad results. I am already contemplating suicide if my results arent good. I dont want to ruin my life forever by choosing not so good surgeon. I am also very young so I dont want to risk it.

I have been thinking of going to dr. Chettawut but I just dont know where to get 9000 euros. My bank doesnt want to give me that amount of loan and saving cannot be an option cause it would take years to save that money. Do you guys have any idea where to get that money? Can I open something like GoFundMe? I probably sound like impatient and whining young adult but i am pretty sure you can understand. I am really depressed.

sorry for this



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LiliFee

Quote from: marssu on October 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
I dont know how am I going to live my life if I get bad results. I am already contemplating suicide if my results arent good. I dont want to ruin my life forever by choosing not so good surgeon.

... Bad idea ...

Quote from: marssu on October 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AMMy surgery should be on may but i cannot wait for that long. Ive been going through this transition for 4 years now and it is getting really tiring. I also live in Finland where the surgeons are not as experienced compared to other countries. So that means you will either get perfect outcome or busted one. [...]

I have been thinking of going to dr. Chettawut but I just dont know where to get 9000 euros. My bank doesnt want to give me that amount of loan and saving cannot be an option cause it would take years to save that money. Do you guys have any idea where to get that money? Can I open something like GoFundMe? I probably sound like impatient and whining young adult but i am pretty sure you can understand. I am really depressed.

Here's the thing... and I'm sorry if I sound "old" or something like that, this is definitely not how I want to come across. But here it goes: some things need time. You're right about not being sure about going to a surgeon who isn't quite on par with Suporn, Chettawut and the like. SRS is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, there are no do-overs.

This situation leaves you with a bunch of alternatives:

1. Get a better job, this will make the banks more lenient to give you a 15K loan.
2. Start a GoFundMe campaign, you wouldn't be the first transgender to do so. But this option is a shot in the dark.
3. Have a thorough talk with your parents

... I'm pretty sure you've already given these options some thought. Which is probably also why you're here. I think you'll have to make a list of priorities about what you want to get out of your SRS, and what's important to you. On the one hand, there's the issue of the outcome: What will it look like, do I want to take the chance with a surgeon who's known to botch it once in a while?

Then, on the other hand there's the issue of time: How long am I willing to wait? I can understand you if you don't want to wait too long, believe me. I also made a deal with myself that my SRS (which is scheduled for next june) shouldn't be any later than that. And I got lucky, because it's also with a damn good surgeon, one of the best.

So there's that. But there's also the bigger picture: You probably wanna live a long life as yourself, in the body that feels right for you. But what's that, what's a long life? 80 years? And how old are you now? 18? 20? That leaves about 60 years of happy life. Now if you were to go with your current option, with a 10% chance of getting a botched result, you'd have a 10% chance of ruining these 60 years for you. That's a big thing!

The other alternative is to find a surgeon who you KNOW produces good results. Such as Suporn, Chettawut or Schaff in Germany (my surgeon). And these options take more time. You'll have to save a couple of years for Thailand and Schaff gets paid for by the German insurance system, but he still has 3 year waiting lists. This means you might cut your 60 years of to-be-expected happy life down to 57 years. But the outcome is a near 100% chance of happiness with your body in those years.

I'm sorry to break it down in such a 'dry' way, but there's a reason for that. Some things take time. The older you get, the more obvious this becomes (my personal experience speaking here). Give yourself some time and breathe. Let life in. Not everything has to happen now, and when you cut corners, you take risks. Just be sure you know the consequences of these risks when you take them, because SRS is something you do only once. And if you don't wanna take those risks, you'll have to wait. That's simply the way things are, unless you win the lottery. Oh, and even then, because Suporn and Chettawutt still have 6-12 month waiting lists even if you wire them the money right now.

Best of luck deciding! :)

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Virginia Hall

Quote from: marssu on October 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
hello girls!

. . .  Ive been going through this transition for 4 years now and it is getting really tiring. I also live in Finland where the surgeons are not as experienced compared to other countries. So that means you will either get perfect outcome or busted one. I dont know how am I going to live my life if I get bad results. I am already contemplating suicide if my results arent good. I dont want to ruin my life forever by choosing not so good surgeon. I am also very young so I dont want to risk it.

I have been thinking of going to dr. Chettawut but I just dont know where to get 9000 euros. My bank doesnt want to give me that amount of loan and saving cannot be an option cause it would take years to save that money. Do you guys have any idea where to get that money? Can I open something like GoFundMe?

I am really depressed.

This has to be hard. Once I got the idea that surgery (both SRS and years later FFS) was a possible, it was like a hot coal burning in my brain. "I have to have this!"

GoFundMe might work. I don't know what the current rules are. The bank won't loan you the money. Is there any chance that a friend(s) or relative(s) might advance you a loan? Are surgeons in Finland not very good? Is that true?

Having cosmetic surgery is part psychological and part technical. Make sure that any reports on the surgeons are based on the surgeons skill and not other factors. In 2016 the choices are great because the surgery is offered many places. They must have have learned something over the last 50 years about doing it right.
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marssu

thank you both of you for the reply!

I have been stressed out and doing a lot of research. I found that dr. Preecha would be cheaper and if I find out a away of getting the money, I am going to him. I also found out that GoFundMe and donation pages like that are illegal in Finland.  :'(

wish me for the best!


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chocolate97

Hello Marssu,

I don't have a lot to say but I can relate a lot to your feelings of despair. For years I have felt that way and once I reached the age that I could legally have SRS I just couldn't wait! I was able to get some funding through health insurance(Netherlands) and added that with massive savings through multiple side jobs while in college. Maybe I was lucky with the health insurance as it covered like 75%. This gave me a chance to go the surgeon I wanted to go. Please do not base your decision on money and time alone, there is only one chance to get this right. And you will have to live with it for the rest of your life. But again, i can feel what you are feeling as I have felt like that too, I just couldn't wait to have SRS finished and just finish transition and start living a 'normal' life including dating boys, going to the swimming pool ad enjoying sleepovers with the girls... I just couldn't wait for SRS to be done and the waiting and also thinking about waiting was just plain terrying.
Big hugs❤
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LiliFee

Quote from: marssu on October 14, 2016, 04:46:18 PM
thank you both of you for the reply!

I have been stressed out and doing a lot of research. I found that dr. Preecha would be cheaper and if I find out a away of getting the money, I am going to him. I also found out that GoFundMe and donation pages like that are illegal in Finland.  :'(

wish me for the best!

As for surgery in Thailand... Please don't forget you'll have to fly home as well. With a genital area that feels like you've been hit by a truck. So you'd better fly business class, which provides you with the necessary space to stretch your legs.

As for GoFundMe, there's always a way around that.. It's an american site, and the moment it becomes a problem of the Finnish government, is when you transfer the final amount of money to Finland. They probably forbade it because of taxation issues.

In any case, you guys have to the Euro as well, so you might as well get it paid in another country that has Euros and wire the money from there to Finland ;)
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"Know then thyself, presume not God to scan, The proper study of mankind is Man"
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Lady_Oracle

I feel your pain

I was supposed to be scheduling surgery this year but things fell through and now I'm looking at waiting at least 4-5 more years till surgery. Suffering from intense genital dysphoria is hellish. I hate this so much. Some days I can barely cope, others are a little better.

I hope you're able to find a way <3
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AnonyMs

Quote from: elineq on October 15, 2016, 01:33:03 AM
As for surgery in Thailand... Please don't forget you'll have to fly home as well. With a genital area that feels like you've been hit by a truck. So you'd better fly business class, which provides you with the necessary space to stretch your legs.

Obviously preferable, but plenty of women don't do that.
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marssu

Thanks for the support and understanding me. It means a lot.

After waiting for years patiently, it gets really frustrating when people tell you to wait more. When will I finally live a normal life? I live alone, work hard and did manage to live my life without the support of my parents since 18 years old (I am 20 now) but this is getting too much. There is only so much a person can take.

Lady_Oracle, I understand your pain. Stay strong <3

I am gonna meet up with my bank next week, so hopefully they will approve my application after telling my situation. Thinking they are not going to accept it but I will try anything.
I have the money for the flights+hotel and everything else.


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zirconia

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TinaVane

I would try to get my credit right(get it to 700 credit score than app )  and than app for credit cards [emoji388] (which is what I did )


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marssu

Hello girls,

I just got back from my bank and they did accept my loan application!! Now I can start looking for surgeons. Happiest girl right now  ;D


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LizK

Congratulations...great things are working out for you.
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Lady_Oracle

OMG IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!

Thank you for the supportive message <3
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marssu

Thank you <3

I am seriously thinking about Dr. Kaushik in India but I have to find more reviews about him. After changing couple of emails with him, he seemed very nice.


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TinaVane

I'm so happy for u marssu [emoji182][emoji182][emoji182]❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️❤️️


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Sharon Anne McC

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Marssu:

Yes, as these other posts comment, good happens with patience.  You can wait it out.  Age 20 is still young with many years in your future to enjoy the process done correctly.  You want this to go well, not rushed.  Yes, this is a one-time event, there is no do-over.  There is little recourse if a bad surgeon butchers you.

Elineq makes very good points for you to consider.

From my perspective, Thailand's 'Big 3' (Dr. Chettawut, Dr. Suporn, PAI) are the best in the world.  Dr. Chettawut provides an entire travel package and seems to have the shortest wait times.

I also understand there is a surgeon at Netherlands.

Certainly you will want to use your wait time to explore your options and learn about the surgeons on your wish list.  Most employ the same procedure; Dr. Chettawut seems to be the only one who uses a more anatomically-correct surgery.

Correspond with the surgeons on your list.  Get to know each other.  This will also give you a chance to get on the wait list for the surgeon you will choose.

One thing to consider is that a surgeon who has done a thousand procedures is better experienced to resolve an error than a surgeon who has done few operations.

You can also make good use of your wait time to take anatomy and physiology college courses to better understand what will be done to your body. 

(BTW:  Please be patient.  Please!  Hey, some of us took longer than a few years and came out fine for it.)

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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chocolate97

Yaaay!! I´m so happy for you girl!!! Congrats!!
PS I received your PM but for some reason cannot reply, so hopefully you will see this :)
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