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Is My HRT correct?

Started by eyes, October 21, 2016, 11:27:59 AM

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eyes

Hi, I am on HRT for 4 month.

Here is my current hormon level:

luteinizing hormone < 0.1 mIU / ml
Estradiol = 83.58 pg / ml
prolactin = 26.9 ng / ml
Progesterone = 1 ng / ml
Testosterone = 0.986 nmol / L
SHBG = 108.8 nmol / l
FTI% = 0.906%

I am on HRT for a 4 monthes,

Actually I feel good femenization results.  But I am a little bit concerned about low estradiol level.

Is my hormon level is ok, or it is better to chenge dosage of some medicine?

Thanks!
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Deborah

Estradiol target is generally up to 200 pg/ml.  But for some it takes a while to get there.  It took me well over a year.

Also,  you are not allowed to post your HRT dosages here.  However, since you have, my estradiol is around 190 at  similar dosages.  So, you just need to wait and it should continue to rise.


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eyes

Thanks, Deborah

and i've another question,

could progerterone usage drop my estradiol level? I use alot of progesteron for faster brest  developement, but some people say that is can drop estradiol level, and slow down face femenization.

Is it true?

I know that it is better to ask my doctor abaut dosage, but I do not have such opportunity now :)

Thanks!
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Deborah

I was on the same progesterone dose and my estradiol level still rose to where it is now.  But I don't know if the progesterone was affecting it at all.


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LizK

Quote from: eyes on October 21, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
Hi, I am on HRT for 4 month.

Here is my current hormon level:

luteinizing hormone < 0.1 mIU / ml
Estradiol = 83.58 pg / ml
prolactin = 26.9 ng / ml
Progesterone = 1 ng / ml
Testosterone = 0.986 nmol / L
SHBG = 108.8 nmol / l
FTI% = 0.906%

I am on HRT for a 4 monthes,

Actually I feel good femenization results.  But I am a little bit concerned about low estradiol level.

Is my hormon level is ok, or it is better to chenge dosage of some medicine?

Thanks!

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eyes

Hi, Liz, I did not receive pm from you. Resend it please.

I am sorry that I've violated the rule and wrote my dosage(

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A lot of us do the first time. The reason behind it is that someone not under doctors care my use your information to self medicate.
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LizK

Sorry Eyes, had a couple of things happening at once, your PM was still sitting waiting to be sent. You should have it now. I understand you did not know about the dosage and hence the reason for editing your post.

Take care

Liz

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eyes

Actually I still have a question. Is it true, that progesterone usage can drop estragen level or not. Maybe someone have links to quality article about this.

And the second question. If my estragen level in blood is enough for successful transition?

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JessicaSondelli

Quote from: eyes on October 22, 2016, 12:25:55 AM
Actually I still have a question. Is it true, that progesterone usage can drop estragen level or not. Maybe someone have links to quality article about this.

And the second question. If my estragen level in blood is enough for successful transition?

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I'm not a doctor and I don't think progesterone is lowering your estradiol levels but if you look at the hormone levels of a ciswoman during her menstrual cycle you notice that whenever estradiol is high, progesterone is low and vice versa. As I said I'm not a doctor but in my naive opinion it would make sense to cycle both hormones to "simulate" this natural phenomenon. What do you girls think?


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Deborah

That does make sense and I may try it for a month to see what happens.  This has never really been studied in trans women though and I doubt there is any empirical data to support the conclusion.  Since we are taking it by pills (or otherwise) and it's not being naturally produced, the interactions may not be identical.


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JessicaSondelli

Quote from: Deborah on October 22, 2016, 07:33:17 AM
That does make sense and I may try it for a month to see what happens.  This has never really been studied in trans women though and I doubt there is any empirical data to support the conclusion.  Since we are taking it by pills (or otherwise) and it's not being naturally produced, the interactions may not be identical.


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Look up the Wiley Protocol.
http://www.empowher.com/community/ask/have-you-had-experience-wiley-protocol

There is a big controversy about it but in my native mind it makes total sense although I haven't tested it so don't try this at home!


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KayXo

If you are having good feminization results, that's all that matters and good health. Don't worry so much. ;)
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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BeverlyAnn

Quote from: eyes on October 21, 2016, 11:27:59 AM

Estradiol = 83.58 pg / ml

Like Deborah said, generally a level somewhere around 200 is what your doctor should shoot for.  At my last Dr. appointment I asked about increasing my beginning estrogen dosage which was much lower than yours.  He said let's wait and see what my blood tests showed.  My results came back Estradiol - 80.2 pg/ml and he sent me a message he was doubling my dosage (still lower than yours).  I am not taking progesterone or an antiandrogen (my testosterone was less that 20 ng/dl due to an orchiectomy).  When I asked about increasing dosage my endo told me something that I won't dispute since he is well published in the medical community regarding endocrine therapy for trans people and is a professor of endocrinology at a medical school.  According to him, even with spironolactone, some estrogen is used to fight testosterone along with the antiandrogen. 
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KayXo


CLIMACTERIC 2005;8(Suppl 1):3–63

"Even though there is a significant correlation between
the serum concentrations of estradiol and their
clinical effects, e.g. on hot flushes or bone mass,
the serum level of an individual woman does not
predict the therapeutic effect."

"the number of hot flushes differs largely in
patients who showed identical estradiol levels
during transdermal hormone therapy1. This casts
considerable doubts on the usefulness of regular
measurements of hormone levels for the prediction
or control of a therapeutic success."

In other words, individuals may respond differently to similar levels so that aiming for a certain range, sometimes quite narrow, may not be useful. Sensitivity of each varies. I may respond well to lower levels where some may need higher levels.

Horm Metab Res. 1994 Sep;26(9):428-31.

"In addition, pseudopregnancy may be useful and effective in osteopenia and lacking secondary sexual development due to gonadal dysgenesis like in Ullrich-Turner syndrome (after completion of growth), where substitution doses of ovarian hormones may be not sufficient enough to guarantee satisfactory response."

Confirming that some may need much more to respond optimally.

Also,

Maturitas, 12 (1990) 171-197

"When the serum concentrations of natural or synthetic sex steroids are measured
at short time-intervals after administration and repeatedly during long-term
treatment, it becomes obvious that there are large intra-individual and interindividual
variations
. This holds true for both the contraceptive steroids and the natural
oestrogens and does not apply solely to the oral route. Long-term studies
indicate that an important influence is exerted by predisposing factors, particularly
the metabolic capacity of the liver, on the pharmacokinetics of sex steroids.
Large variations in oestradiol and oestrone levels can be observed in an individual
woman from day to day or from hour to hour, even during transdermal therapy
with oestradiol
, indicating short-lived alterations in the inactivation rate
rather than changes in the release rate from the dermal reservoir.
Bypassing of the first-pass effect using parenteral routes of administration"

Hence, further supporting the idea that measuring levels is inaccurate.

Lastly,

High levels are not a good predictor of risk, rather the type of estrogen is and the route.

Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1993 Dec;169(6):1549-53.

"As serum estradiol levels increased throughout each phase (maximum mean estradiol 739.8 pg/ml)"

"Down-regulation of the fibrinolytic system was observed as estradiol levels increased. However, thrombin formation did not change, thus suggesting that elevated circulating estradiol alone does not predispose to a thromboembolic event."

Thromb Haemost. 2001 Apr;85(4):619-25.

"the oral route of estradiol administration rather than the circulating free estradiol concentration is critical for any changes to be observed."


I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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eyes

Thanks,

i've spoken with t-girl with almost the same dosage and testing result. She visited a doctor and doctor had said that all is ok. Is more important to drop luteinizing hormone to very low lever, as i have. If so, currentestradiol level is ok for femenization. and it will  rise with time.

It is a bad idea to increase dosage, espessialy if t-girl take hormones without doctor review :)
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