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pre op sex life and what to expect?

Started by lori25, October 29, 2016, 02:51:48 AM

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lori25

This is one of the more confusing and unclear things regarding my transition, and especially in the long term.  I've not been informed hardly at all by my endo in detail beyond a simple "sexual dysfunction".  I've tried researching a lot of this on my own, but I can't seem to completely understand without asking questions of my own situation.

I've just been reading about how the orgasms can be more intense from HRT, but I haven't experienced any of this as I assume it's too early (5 months).  I've actually been experiencing more negative aspects.  It's been painful after stimulation, and there has been redness and swelling afterward which could be considered physical trauma.  I have been "dormant" for a few months due to no longer having this involuntary sex drive, and I later learned that you basically have to use it or lose it - I'm not sure what that means beyond the obvious, so any detail would be greatly appreciated (i.e., do you lose function completely if left unstimulated, do years of HRT completely take away the ability to have an erection)

I'm concerned because I want to stay pre op.  I don't want any surgical alterations, and I would like to be intimate with women as a cis male would.  I jumped into HRT mostly ignorant in this particular subject field, just assuming things would be nearly the same as before minus sperm production.  The pain and swelling quickly snapped me out of reality, and that was only at 4-5 months time.  I'm just needing to know if I'm in way over my head here, and if it's worth getting off HRT and just accepting myself as an unmediated trans woman.  I do feel much better mentally and emotionally on HRT, but if I'm constantly haunted by sex being physically uncomfortable or the fact that I'll always feel sub par to cis men when with a woman I'm not sure if I can handle that all of my life - Will I be able to have normal intercourse with a woman as the years go on with HRT?
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kanad3

I am 2,5 years on hormones, haven't noticed a decrease in size or ability. I've been using it regularly, though. I'd assume to get back into it you will have to just bear the pain for a few times and it'll get better.
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jujubes1986

Quote from: lori25 on October 29, 2016, 02:51:48 AM
This is one of the more confusing and unclear things regarding my transition, and especially in the long term.  I've not been informed hardly at all by my endo in detail beyond a simple "sexual dysfunction".  I've tried researching a lot of this on my own, but I can't seem to completely understand without asking questions of my own situation.

I've just been reading about how the orgasms can be more intense from HRT, but I haven't experienced any of this as I assume it's too early (5 months).  I've actually been experiencing more negative aspects.  It's been painful after stimulation, and there has been redness and swelling afterward which could be considered physical trauma.  I have been "dormant" for a few months due to no longer having this involuntary sex drive, and I later learned that you basically have to use it or lose it - I'm not sure what that means beyond the obvious, so any detail would be greatly appreciated (i.e., do you lose function completely if left unstimulated, do years of HRT completely take away the ability to have an erection)

I'm concerned because I want to stay pre op.  I don't want any surgical alterations, and I would like to be intimate with women as a cis male would.  I jumped into HRT mostly ignorant in this particular subject field, just assuming things would be nearly the same as before minus sperm production.  The pain and swelling quickly snapped me out of reality, and that was only at 4-5 months time.  I'm just needing to know if I'm in way over my head here, and if it's worth getting off HRT and just accepting myself as an unmediated trans woman.  I do feel much better mentally and emotionally on HRT, but if I'm constantly haunted by sex being physically uncomfortable or the fact that I'll always feel sub par to cis men when with a woman I'm not sure if I can handle that all of my life - Will I be able to have normal intercourse with a woman as the years go on with HRT?
When I was pre op! 2 weeks ago... I was still able to get hard... it's usually in the mind.... I've been on hormones for 10 years... I'm very attracted to my boyfriend... so whenever he kisses me I get a stiffy!


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Claire_Sydney

I've been on HRT for about 12 months.  Implants are legal where I live, so my estrogen levels are much higher than they ever were with pills and gels. I also take spiro in the usual dose.

I have found my sexual function keeps shifting and changing, but hasn't stopped.  I haven't had an unexpected erection since I started anti-androgens. 

My body does not produce sperm any longer, and barely produces seminal fluid.  My genitals have changed in size (about 40% smaller) and color (obvious darkness along the raphe line). 

I can still have sex, but I don't really think about it as much anymore.  The biggest difference is that I need to be emotionally stimulated first.  It can take time to build up.  It doesn't just happen by itself, but I haven't had an occasion where I wanted sex and couldn't achieve an erection or orgasm - and my testosterone has been at the very bottom of the female range for 9 months.   

Hope that helps!

Claire
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SadieBlake

I've posted quite a lot about this, look through my posts and in the sexuality section

Because the desire was mostly gone after about 2 months on E, I began at least weekly forcing the issue, choosing to put myself in the mood and exploring. I wasn't happy about this and it says a lot that I needed to continue transition costing the one thing I could reliably use to keep my spirits up.

Slowly, I'd say at 4 months out I began to feel more anchored in a feminine response and different orgasmic experience. Progesterone has helped increase sex drive for me and I now find I really have to engage in some foreplay not involving my (shenis) to get myself engaged enough to get past disphoria.

My sexual disphoria has increased since hrt and is a mai driver of continuing on to GCS (I find it amazing that right now after spending an hour with my preferred surgeon talking about the gory details of GCS that I'm getting erect thinking about intercourse as a the receiving partner)
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JoanneB

I suspect like all things hormones, YMMV. Age is also a factor as sexual function is often a function of age which is a function of hormones.

Back in my far far younger days I relied on low dose HRT to help "Reset" my brain. I had 2 failed transition experiments so being male(ish) was my path through life. After a few weeks the GD noise was mostly quieted down. Yet I stayed on HRT until "The Prime Directive" of being a normal male began to take a hit below the belt. So I stopped and hoped I wouldn't need to do it again in a few years (fat chance of that it turned out)

Now in my "Golden" as in well tarnished years and 7 years on feminizing levels of HRT my erections are far far from what they were like. Old age or HRT? hard to say. Being on an AA I think had a far bigger affect on me. Also a BIG factor is "Sex is between your ears".

One more thing to consider is where you are on the spectrum today is apt to change. It sure did for me after deciding 7, almost 8 years ago now to take the Trans-Beast on for real. Back then transitioning and especially GCS were the absolute last things on any sort of lists. Not even on the RADAR. Been there, tried it twice with disastrous results. But.... as I unlearned a lot of Shame and Guilt as well as many other unhealthy ways of acting and thinking, self acceptance, finding joy, seeing hope led me to expand my thinking. First about any sort of transitioning as I eventually began officially living part time as female. Today it's my sexuality and maybe GCS isn't exactly off any wish lists. Still near the bottom but that is today's position
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Michaela Whimsy

The pain you feel I think I had a similar experience.  For me at the time I had been on HRT for a few months and then got intimate in one instance and I was just figuring  well,  'business as usual' but then it got hard and it hurt like hell!  Unbearable pain.  The only thing I can think is that skin is being stretched a lot for that and the inactivity has caused it too shrink or lose its stretchyness. All the same blood vessels and blood flow are still there though. If it isn't stretched often it becomes like trying to get your leg into a pair of pants that are 5 sizes too small.  I have to consciously remember to use mine even though I don't want to have it anymore.  It might help me with GRS later anyway to keep that skins elasticity. It is still attached and still feels good, why not!? 

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Naomi71

Quote from: lori25 on October 29, 2016, 02:51:48 AMI've just been reading about how the orgasms can be more intense from HRT, but I haven't experienced any of this as I assume it's too early (5 months).  I've actually been experiencing more negative aspects.  It's been painful after stimulation, and there has been redness and swelling afterward which could be considered physical trauma.

Interesting. I'm on hormones for a little over three months now and my psychologist warned me about loss of libido. I wasn't too concerned about that, because I already was a complete bottom before transitioning and don't believe my enjoyment of sex was testosterone based to start with.  Before I started transitioning, my sexuality was some kind of safe zone in which I could freely experience and express my femininity. Being made aware of my male traits just triggered my dysphoria. I hardly get any erections because of the t blockers (I take Androcur) and love it.

I'm finding out that it's other places on my body and a different set of interactions that turn me on now. A few weeks ago, I did have a massive orgasm like never before,  that lasted for fifteen minutes. I was spooning in bed with my boyfriend and he just stroked my skin, which already made me purr. He then started stroking my breasts that are extremely sensitive (growth disks just started forming) and after a short while waves of orgasmic bliss just filled my body from head to toe. It was very intense, but it wasn't focused on my genitalia. I did have a stiffy during that experience, but didn't even feel inclined to touch myself.

I'm finding out that it's intimacy triggering me and my skin and breasts became so sensitive. The absence of this biological need to ejaculate is just liberating. I kind of try to not entirely lose touch with my male genitalia, because when I have received my SRS I will still have the same nerve ends that I do plan to enjoy in that way. So I try not to entirely lose touch with them, but certainly wouldn't want to overstimulate them. I tried to play with myself a few times, but stopped halfway because I was just bored.

QuoteI have been "dormant" for a few months due to no longer having this involuntary sex drive, and I later learned that you basically have to use it or lose it - I'm not sure what that means beyond the obvious, so any detail would be greatly appreciated (i.e., do you lose function completely if left unstimulated, do years of HRT completely take away the ability to have an erection)

To me that means, that you can lose your sensitivity to genital sexual stimulation by paying no attention to it anymore. One can "unlearn" it.

QuoteI'm concerned because I want to stay pre op.  I don't want any surgical alterations, and I would like to be intimate with women as a cis male would.  I jumped into HRT mostly ignorant in this particular subject field, just assuming things would be nearly the same as before minus sperm production.  The pain and swelling quickly snapped me out of reality, and that was only at 4-5 months time.  I'm just needing to know if I'm in way over my head here, and if it's worth getting off HRT and just accepting myself as an unmediated trans woman.  I do feel much better mentally and emotionally on HRT, but if I'm constantly haunted by sex being physically uncomfortable or the fact that I'll always feel sub par to cis men when with a woman I'm not sure if I can handle that all of my life - Will I be able to have normal intercourse with a woman as the years go on with HRT?

Pain and swelling are signs of overstimulation. Maybe you are trying to maintain the kind of lbido that you had pre hormones, attempt to stick with that mode of male experience? I don't believe that will work on HRT, although there still is enjoyment. Rather than holding on to the experience I was used of pre hormones, I just go with the flow and am in the process of rediscovering my sexuality. You may be attached to the idea of continuing a male sexual experience, but it seems your body is telling you a different story.


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Naomi71

So one of my trans friends doesn't want the sex change either and at present, she only takes estrogen. In that way, she can still enjoy her male sexual function while experiencing some physical changes at the same time.


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