Hey everyone! So I quit cigarettes a couple days ago in preparation for starting estrogen, since I know smoking on hrt can cause deep vein thrombosis, so I've been using my girlfriend's vape pen. My question is this. Is it smoking that causes dvt or is it the nicotine itself? Because if I can't have any nicotine while I'm getting pumped full of hormones... Let's just say I won't be very fun to be around XD

It's definitely the nicotine that causes issues. (Any nicotine product!!) There are nicotine free flavors of vaping. My wife vapes on occasion (without nicotine), but I don't. However, your still putting a foreign substance in your lungs even without nicotine and I can't imagine that being good for you in the long term.

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on November 06, 2016, 10:44:21 PM
It's definitely the nicotine that causes issues. (Any nicotine product!!) There are nicotine free flavors of vaping. My wife vapes on occasion (without nicotine), but I don't. However, your still putting a foreign substance in your lungs even without nicotine and I can't imagine that being good for you in the long term.

Noooooooo! *whines loudly* guess I'm gonna have to bite the bullet :/

I find vaping considerably less dangerous than smoking. I smoked a half pack of cigarettes for 34 years before switching to vapes a year and a half ago. My doctor told me that I can continue vaping if I wish. It would be better to just quit, but not for my state of mind.

Physically, I am in good shape. All my vitals are excellent. If you can get plenty of exercise, you may counteract whatever the nicotine may do to you.

I am one of those people that nobody wants to be around if I cannot have my nicotine.

I've run several marathons and one ultra marathon with vaping and it does not affect lung function.  Also, my Dr said it isn't a problem with HRT. 


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I was able to quit smoking 2 years ago by switching to vaping. I have spent the last year and a half on HRT and vaping and have seen no ill effects.

My GRS surgeon said I should try to reduce the nicotine as much a possible before surgery, but did not insist that I quit. So 4 months ago I started reducing the nicotine level by .2 percent every time I bought a juice refill.
After 2 months I hit ZERO nicotine and was able to stop the vaping also.

I still have the occasional desire for the hand to mouth habit, but I have no desire for nicotine anymore.

I was really surprised that the nicotine urge was fairly easy to let go of as I had tried to quit several time in the past and never had much luck.

Quote from: Charley on November 07, 2016, 12:53:45 PM
I was able to quit smoking 2 years ago by switching to vaping. I have spent the last year and a half on HRT and vaping and have seen no ill effects.

My GRS surgeon said I should try to reduce the nicotine as much a possible before surgery, but did not insist that I quit. So 4 months ago I started reducing the nicotine level by .2 percent every time I bought a juice refill.
After 2 months I hit ZERO nicotine and was able to stop the vaping also.

I still have the occasional desire for the hand to mouth habit, but I have no desire for nicotine anymore.

I was really surprised that the nicotine urge was fairly easy to let go of as I had tried to quit several time in the past and never had much luck.

Charley Ann

Some doctors like Dr Satterwhite will not touch anyone who uses ANY nicotine product in the last year. He is very firm on that.

Nicotine interferes with HRT and it doesn't matter if it's from Cigarettes, Hookah, Vaping, Nicotine Patches/Gum or Chewing Tobacco. At least with vaping there are vapes that are nicotine free.

Vaping poses a health risk period so vaping while on E can only raise that risk and not lesson it and possibly add additional risks that also result from the vaping. Hugs
Mariah

On the bright side, if you give up smoking and vaping, you'll save a ton of money!  And you can use that extra money to help fund your transition. 

to reiterate on what the 1st poster said to the O.P., my Endo said if you're vaping zero nicotine product, of which there are many, it makes no difference and is safe. Apparently, it's the nicotine that's dangerous and not the act of vaping itself. I did it for the first few months. Got bored with it and just kind of drifted away from it.

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on November 07, 2016, 02:54:21 PM
On the bright side, if you give up smoking and vaping, you'll save a ton of money!  And you can use that extra money to help fund your transition. 

Ten dollars per month is not likely to make a dent in the cost of SRS for me. My liquids cost that little through the site I buy it from.

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on November 07, 2016, 01:26:02 PM
Some doctors like Dr Satterwhite will not touch anyone who uses ANY nicotine product in the last year. He is very firm on that.

Nicotine interferes with HRT and it doesn't matter if it's from Cigarettes, Hookah, Vaping, Nicotine Patches/Gum or Chewing Tobacco. At least with vaping there are vapes that are nicotine free.

Ya, one doctor that I consulted with warned that he would test for nicotine in my system and would cancel the surgery if any was found.

Just curious, how does nicotine effect HRT? I never had any doctor warn me about any problems.

Quote from: Charley on November 08, 2016, 01:06:53 PM
Ya, one doctor that I consulted with warned that he would test for nicotine in my system and would cancel the surgery if any was found.

Just curious, how does nicotine effect HRT? I never had any doctor warn me about any problems.

From what I've been told by several doctors (for MtF), nicotine make estrogen less effective on the body so it's diminishing feminine effects to a small degree. Nicotine combined with HRT increases the chances of blood clots especially if your over 40.

HRT does not always increase the risk of blood clots, it depends what you take. Non-oral bio-identical E appears to have little effect and could even prove to be protective, according to some studies. Bio-identical progesterone has no effect, spiro is the same.

Smoking cigarettes reduced effectiveness of E when E was taken ORALLY, not when taken non-orally (but would probably have an effect at higher doses of non-oral E). It has to do with inducing (increasing levels of) the enzyme CYP1A2 responsible for metabolizing estrogen.