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Started by Paige, November 17, 2016, 03:15:52 PM

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Paige

Hi All,

So I have been trying to muddle through on low dose E and avoid transitioning.  My wife has basically told me transitioning will end the relationship.  For 50 or so years I've been fighting this beast and even though I've progressed to low E, I full of indecision.

Anyway I went to the family doctor today and he believes in addition to my gender dysphoria that I'm mildly depressed.  He believes it might be helpful to maybe take antidepressants.  Has anyone else done this?  Did it help or just make the situation worse?

Thanks,
Paige :)
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Elis

I used antidepressants when I was around 2/3 months on T; bcos I thought the T would cure my depression/anxiety. But realised these problems were separate from me being trans. I don't think they affected my GD. They just made it easier for me to cope and make me feel numb (these were SSR antidepressants).  I also started CBT therapy as well for my social anxiety which helped so much more than the drugs; so much so that after around 3 months of therapy I decided to stop taking the drugs. Plus hated how numb they made me feel.

So I wouldn't say antidepressants will help long term with GD unless you're prepared to take them long term consequently making you feel numb long term. But if your depression is a separate issue then therapist is the best option IMO.
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Paige

Quote from: Elis on November 17, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
I used antidepressants when I was around 2/3 months on T; bcos I thought the T would cure my depression/anxiety. But realised these problems were separate from me being trans. I don't think they affected my GD. They just made it easier for me to cope and make me feel numb (these were SSR antidepressants).  I also started CBT therapy as well for my social anxiety which helped so much more than the drugs; so much so that after around 3 months of therapy I decided to stop taking the drugs. Plus hated how numb they made me feel.

So I wouldn't say antidepressants will help long term with GD unless you're prepared to take them long term consequently making you feel numb long term. But if your depression is a separate issue then therapist is the best option IMO.

Thanks Elis, that's very helpful.  I'm quite nervous of the idea of taking antidepressants and will probably not go there. 

Paige :)
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AnonyMs

I had similar, low dose HRT, refusing to transition, and really bad depression.

I saw a psych about it, and he offered me anti-depressants quite a few times. I refused because I thought it would confuse the issue and make it harder to work out how to solve my problems - i.e. if I get better is it because I'm resolving my issues or the drugs? Instead I went to a full transitioning dose of HRT, made some other transition related decisions, and my depression evaporated.

And now I know for sure why I get depressed, and what to do if/when it happens again. I'm still trying to avoid transition, but I don't know that will last much longer.
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Paige

Quote from: AnonyMs on November 17, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
I had similar, low dose HRT, refusing to transition, and really bad depression.

I saw a psych about it, and he offered me anti-depressants quite a few times. I refused because I thought it would confuse the issue and make it harder to work out how to solve my problems - i.e. if I get better is it because I'm resolving my issues or the drugs? Instead I went to a full transitioning dose of HRT, made some other transition related decisions, and my depression evaporated.

And now I know for sure why I get depressed, and what to do if/when it happens again. I'm still trying to avoid transition, but I don't know that will last much longer.

Thanks for the comment AnoyMs.  I'm starting to think you're right, the only answer is full HRT.  I should probably transition too.   I just can't handle this anymore. 

Paige :)
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jentay1367

Heck....try it. AIf it doesn't work or you don't like the effects.....stop it. What do you have to lose? I would think you'd understand the efficacy in a short period. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Dena

In my case I had severe depression as the result of being transsexual and I fully understood that was the source of my depression. I was never offered antidepressants and HRT without blockers didn't put much of a dent in it. A social transition helped with much of the depression and the last of it was eliminated by surgery. If you have social dysphoria I suspect transitioning may be needed to eliminate any remaining depression. If your T levels aren't sufficiently suppressed then that should be considered.

I would suggest that your therapist make the diagnosis of depression before considering an antidepressant because it's possible to have more than one issue to deal with when you are transgender. Just shotgunning it with an antidepressant may not deal with the root of the problem.
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Paige

Quote from: Dena on November 17, 2016, 10:53:21 PM
In my case I had severe depression as the result of being transsexual and I fully understood that was the source of my depression. I was never offered antidepressants and HRT without blockers didn't put much of a dent in it. A social transition helped with much of the depression and the last of it was eliminated by surgery. If you have social dysphoria I suspect transitioning may be needed to eliminate any remaining depression. If your T levels aren't sufficiently suppressed then that should be considered.

I would suggest that your therapist make the diagnosis of depression before considering an antidepressant because it's possible to have more than one issue to deal with when you are transgender. Just shotgunning it with an antidepressant may not deal with the root of the problem.

Hi Dena,

I'm going to talk with my therapist about it on Monday.  I know my family doctor is trying to help, but I know the only real solution is for me to up my dose and start transitioning.  I was talking to a friend and she said I've been taking a lot of baby steps, but I'm quickly running out of those and I have to decide if I'm going to take the final big step.

Thanks for the help,
Paige :)
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Kylo

I won't beat about the bush - antidepressants were a waste of time and money for me - I haven't touched them since 2006. The solution to your problems lies in the cause of your depression and changing that situation. Having a goal to work toward, even if it is your own and nobody knows about it, can be instrumental in making sure you have something to keep going for and something to look forward to. When a person hasn't got that it's no wonder they're depressed.

In my case I got put on T recently (high dose) and found that my anxiety and depression has largely packed up and left. I wasn't massively depressed anyway, just more concerned about the future; the hormones have dealt with that. There's no need for ADs if this continues, in my case.

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Violets

Quote from: AnonyMs on November 17, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
I had similar, low dose HRT, refusing to transition, and really bad depression.

I saw a psych about it, and he offered me anti-depressants quite a few times. I refused because I thought it would confuse the issue and make it harder to work out how to solve my problems - i.e. if I get better is it because I'm resolving my issues or the drugs? Instead I went to a full transitioning dose of HRT, made some other transition related decisions, and my depression evaporated.

And now I know for sure why I get depressed, and what to do if/when it happens again. I'm still trying to avoid transition, but I don't know that will last much longer.

Wow, this is exactly the approach I'm taking, with exactly the same result! Within a few weeks of taking full dose HRT, the chronic depression started to lift. Within 3 months, it was gone. I've tried many different anti-depressants over the years, but none of them helped. However, HRT + making some other transition related changes (i.e. full beard removal, growing my hair, and coming out to the important people in my life) have turned a miserable existence into a life worth living. I too am trying to avoid a full transition, but I will never rule it out either.


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Paige

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on November 18, 2016, 06:43:25 PM
I won't beat about the bush - antidepressants were a waste of time and money for me - I haven't touched them since 2006. The solution to your problems lies in the cause of your depression and changing that situation. Having a goal to work toward, even if it is your own and nobody knows about it, can be instrumental in making sure you have something to keep going for and something to look forward to. When a person hasn't got that it's no wonder they're depressed.

In my case I got put on T recently (high dose) and found that my anxiety and depression has largely packed up and left. I wasn't massively depressed anyway, just more concerned about the future; the hormones have dealt with that. There's no need for ADs if this continues, in my case.

I think you're right.  To be fair to my doctor, he's basing his recommendation on the fact he doesn't think I can make a decision.  As you said, his suggestion isn't valid if I make the decision to go forward with full HRT and transition.

Thanks,
Paige :)
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JoanneB

Quote from: Paige on November 17, 2016, 03:15:52 PM
Hi All,

So I have been trying to muddle through on low dose E and avoid transitioning.  My wife has basically told me transitioning will end the relationship.  For 50 or so years I've been fighting this beast and even though I've progressed to low E, I full of indecision.

Anyway I went to the family doctor today and he believes in addition to my gender dysphoria that I'm mildly depressed.  He believes it might be helpful to maybe take antidepressants.  Has anyone else done this?  Did it help or just make the situation worse?

Thanks,
Paige :)
I was/am in the same boat, fighting the Trans-Beast for some 50 years, finally took it on for real 7 years ago, still living and presenting primarily as male with a wife who rightfully cannot answer what she will do in an unknown future.

When I began seeing a therapist 7 years ago it was to help loose the ton of baggage accumulated over a lifetime of dealing with the shame and guilt of being trans. Because of my job (No expectations of privacy  ;)  ;) ) I was concerned over how the sessions were being coded. He responded with "Depression, I've never had a trans client who wasn't". After a new job and relocation I began seeing another therapist. Out of curiosity and some concern over the infamous "Trans-Exclusion" which also includes therapy I asked her how the sessions were being coded. She responded with "Anxiety, I've never had a trans client who wasn't"

In retrospect, after a few years diligently on my personal growth I came to realize that for much of my life I was depressed. AKA chronically depressed. Still am somewhat.

We have plenty to get depressed over and be anxious about that are totally legitimate. We have very deeply entrenched "Male" life's. The GD is there, ain't going away, and in a perfect world we would transition fully. But the world is not perfect and we've gotten by for this long with relatively little time left and.....  Then add in all the obligations and promises made. How to best keep everything in balance without totally blowing apart a life of life's chasing a dream when most days you don't feel that you Need to transition, just would like to? 

What is important is how you handle the episodes. Food? Drink? Drugs? Been there many times. Numbing yourself to reality is numbing yourself to reality, even when it's a doctor giving you a pill.  I try to understand the root cause of what drove me into the episode. Then apply my wife's "There is always at least five solutions" rule to which I am generally good for only 3. Sometimes it's just muddle through because "it's the way it is"

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Paige

Quote from: JoanneB on November 19, 2016, 08:09:59 AM
I was/am in the same boat, fighting the Trans-Beast for some 50 years, finally took it on for real 7 years ago, still living and presenting primarily as male with a wife who rightfully cannot answer what she will do in an unknown future.

When I began seeing a therapist 7 years ago it was to help loose the ton of baggage accumulated over a lifetime of dealing with the shame and guilt of being trans. Because of my job (No expectations of privacy  ;)  ;) ) I was concerned over how the sessions were being coded. He responded with "Depression, I've never had a trans client who wasn't". After a new job and relocation I began seeing another therapist. Out of curiosity and some concern over the infamous "Trans-Exclusion" which also includes therapy I asked her how the sessions were being coded. She responded with "Anxiety, I've never had a trans client who wasn't"

In retrospect, after a few years diligently on my personal growth I came to realize that for much of my life I was depressed. AKA chronically depressed. Still am somewhat.

We have plenty to get depressed over and be anxious about that are totally legitimate. We have very deeply entrenched "Male" life's. The GD is there, ain't going away, and in a perfect world we would transition fully. But the world is not perfect and we've gotten by for this long with relatively little time left and.....  Then add in all the obligations and promises made. How to best keep everything in balance without totally blowing apart a life of life's chasing a dream when most days you don't feel that you Need to transition, just would like to? 

What is important is how you handle the episodes. Food? Drink? Drugs? Been there many times. Numbing yourself to reality is numbing yourself to reality, even when it's a doctor giving you a pill.  I try to understand the root cause of what drove me into the episode. Then apply my wife's "There is always at least five solutions" rule to which I am generally good for only 3. Sometimes it's just muddle through because "it's the way it is"

Hi Joanne,

Always good to hear your point of view. 

I like the "I've never had a trans client who wasn't" comments by your therapists.  It's probably very true.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you describe antidepressants as just another method of numbing, like Food? Drink? Drugs?.  I would throw TV watching and internet browsing in there too.    It's just another way to numb things.  It doesn't resolve anything.

The thing that may be different between the two of us is that I think I really need to transition but I'm afraid of the social and family consequences.  I'm also afraid that I've waited to long.  I realize many here have been successful at our age but I have so many doubts about transitioning being successful.

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God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can; And the wisdom to know the difference

I don't know if it's wise but I'm coming to the conclusion that I can change this by transitioning and there's really no other solution.


Thanks so much,
Paige :)
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JoanneB

By the end of year 3 and having started part-time living as a woman I knew that if I needed to transition fully I could pull it off. Twice in early 20's I tried and couldn't.

A member of my support group was 60 I believe before she went full-time with no regrets. Her wife could have no part of it. Today they are friends after the initial nasty spell. I just hit 60 and even today I know I will go full time if I felt I needed to. Most of my group members were emotional drained after a few months or more of part-time and doing the ole switcheroo.
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Michelle_P

Quote from: JoanneB on November 19, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
A member of my support group was 60 I believe before she went full-time with no regrets. Her wife could have no part of it. Today they are friends after the initial nasty spell. I just hit 60 and even today I know I will go full time if I felt I needed to. Most of my group members were emotional drained after a few months or more of part-time and doing the ole switcheroo.

Are you in MY group?  :)

Yeah, I spent several months being Michelle out of the house, and Michael inside and at a few events.  It was not comfortable, and was bringing back the old black cloud of depression after several months.  I'd come home, and have to put on Michael, and then all I wanted to do was curl up in a ball and cry for a half hour or so.  My spouse didn't like that at all.

This directly led to our living under separate roofs and me being full time.  I have hope, and hope is an incredibly powerful antidepressant.  It pulled me out of my first suicidal depression when I came out, and it pulled me out again when I realized that I would have to move to full-time as myself.

This week I had my best score ever on the anxiety/depression profile check the therapist has me fill out every visit.
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It's always quizzical  ??? to me to find how much the unconditional love of our spouses turns to absolute ->-bleeped-<- when we divulge our deepest secret and bear our souls. They ask us how and why we could have kept this secret from them, then they take our children from us and throw us into the streets and commence to let the law dogs feed on our corpses. 
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vanderpn

For me, anti-depressants have actually been really helpful, but I had a lot of depression and anxiety not directly related to being transgender. Thankfully, I haven't experienced the numbness that Elis mentioned; I feel like they just help me feel more even. I do agree that therapy is equally as important, though.
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Sandra M. Lopes

Ok, I know I'm piping in late, but I would like to contribute by making a case of defending antidepressants :)

First of all, and that's to Paige, I believe that your family doctor is really well-intended. If she is anything like mine, she has been through 'thousands of cases' with gender dysphoria of some sort. However, if she is also honest (like mine!), she will refer you to a specialist — this is usually a psychiatrist/sexologist, who are trained as medical doctors, but specialise in sexual and gender issues.

I would never take the first opinion regarding neurological drugs coming from a general practitioner. I'm not belittling your doctor (as I'm not belittling my own, who is a fantastic doctor in all regards, including having a warm personality, which is not that common among doctors around here) but just saying that you really, really need an expert looking at your case.

A good, honest expert will start with the following issue: on one hand, you have some form of gender dysphoria, which is not 'curable' (except through transition). On the other hand, you have some form of depression (and there are many forms, not all of them are of the melancholy type, which is the most common one, and one of the easiest to treat — the other types are not easily recognisable as 'depression' and therefore much harder to treat), which responds well to medication and therapy (you really need to combine both).

GD also usually comes together with anxiety, that's true. Fortunately, anxiety is very easy to treat medically, and this is really my point...

Because depression and anxiety are so common these days, a LOT of research has been put into developing new-generation drugs. In particular, the newest generation of drugs do NOT 'dumb you down' and they do NOT create sleepiness. Older generations of anxiolytics, for example, tended to rely upon 'calming down' people in order to let them worry less about things. But not only they caused sleepiness and apathy, but, worse than that, most were addictive, requiring larger and larger doses over time.

The newer generation of drugs acts in completely different ways. Take a look at depression, for instance. It is generally accepted that depression comes from either a lack of serotonin production (the hormone that induces the 'reward' effect in the brain, i.e. when we feel pleasure of accomplishing something) and/or the brain flushing out the serotonin so quickly that it barely had no effects. Serotonin is mostly produced in the intestines, and it can be synthesised artificially, so, as you can imagine, the first attempts to regulate the levels of serotonin in the brain was simply to add more serotonin to the body, in the hope that enough would reach the brain.

In the first case (lack of serotonin production), this seemed to have an effect, at least at the beginning. Then, over time, the drug would lose the effect — you would need higher and higher dosages, until there would be a point that no dosage would ever provide enough serotonin, which baffled the researchers. Worse than that: such drugs would not have the least effect in the second case, because the brain would flush out all extra serotonin anyway.

Clearly the reason why increasing the dosage did not produce results required to be better understood. And fortunately, researchers figured out how the brain got its serotonin: it actually flows inside the central nervous system, and it is regulated by some 'gates' that admit the serotonin into the nerves, and closes the 'gates' afterwards, so that the serotonin doesn't get flushed out too quickly. If serotonin production is too low, then, no matter how 'open' the 'gates' are, it will never reach the nerves into the brain; on the other hand, 'leaky gates' that allow serotonin to escape too quickly did not react to having extra serotonin around — it would still escape as before.

The addictive effects — and why it is worthless to increase the levels of serotonin beyond a limit — were also quickly understood, because we have other 'gates' allowing neurotransmitting drugs to be administered in a similar way. In particular, one of those 'gates' lets nicotinoids through, and yes, as you can guess, this is very closely connected to tobacco addiction. As you can imagine, this was very well studied for decades, once the scams of the tobacco companies were exposed: scientists wanted to understand what exactly happened and why tobacco was so addictive.

The explanation is actually curious. Those 'gates' into the nervous system are sort of created 'on demand'. That means that everybody has gates for letting naturally-produced nicotinoids through into the brain — they act as messenger molecules and are critical for working (so, yes, we all produce nicotine derivatives naturally and cannot live without them :) ). What happens with smokers is that they increase the available nicotine in the body, which gets metabolised into the right kind of nicotinoids, and suddenly there is way too much of those molecules around! What does our body do? It creates more gates, and this means that more nicotinoids can flow into the brain (and yes, that's why smokers report a need to get their regular intake of nicotine to increase their cognitive abilities). However, there is a limit to how many 'gates' our body can build. When that limit is reached, no matter how much more nicotine is inhaled, the body will reject it all. That's why almost all smokers will smoke more and more but eventually reach a plateaux, a level of daily intake which they will never raise again, because all excess nicotine will simply be flushed out of the organism, and thus has no effect. There is a point of equilibrium there.

What causes the addiction? Well, once created, those gates will take a long, long time until they get (naturally) destroyed for lack of use. That means that smokers who stop abruptly will suddenly have lots of unused gates requiring nicotine to work — and because that nicotine is withheld, the organism responds by demanding it strongly, through what we know as withdrawal symptoms. Eventually, over time, the organism will know that there will not be extra nicotine in the body, and start dismantling those extra gates — but this can really take a lot of time: at least, several days, but possibly more.

Now the good news for the depression researchers is that the gates that open for serotonin are really very similar. So, when extra serotonin is around, the body starts creating more gates. This will naturally let more serotonin flow to the brain and thus fight depression; but there will be a demand for more and more serotonin until a limit is reached, when the body is unable to create more of those gates (just like with nicotine). At that point, either the flux of serotonin is enough to make the depression disappear, or, well, you're stuck — that drug will not help you more, because the limit is reached. Once again, stopping the flux of serotonin abruptly means that a lot of gates will 'demand' the extra serotonin, and therefore generate all sort of withdrawal symptoms, just like with tobacco addiction — and that's why most antidepressants must be 'phased out' over weeks or months, to allow the organism to dismantle the extra gates for serotonin, until they are back to 'normal' levels.

Ok, but this strategy does not help with those people who have enough serotonin, it's just flushed out of the brain too quickly. So the next generation of drugs started to work on the gates itself — basically, switching them on and off on demand. On people where the levels of serotonin are too low, the gates would be kept open for longer periods, so that more serotonin could reach the brain; on those when it would be flushed out too quickly, the gates would be closed, so that the serotonin could not escape easily. Such drugs were revolutionary once developed.

Nevertheless, they weren't perfect. It seems that these gates are very security-conscious — they must be, since, after all, they let molecules enter the brain, our most important organ. When we start taking drugs that artificially open and close the gates, at some point, there will be a saturation level: the gates themselves will not react to the drug any more. Note that the drugs themselves are synthetic molecules that bind to specific points in those gates, opening or closing them; they are not exactly like the natural counterparts, because we want to avoid most of the undesired side-effects from such drugs (like overloading the liver, for instance), and so they have just the 'key' for the 'gate' and nothing else. Nevertheless, the gates seem to be clever enough to figure out that there is suddenly an increase of 'keys' in the bloodstream, and this means that some gates start refusing to open up, in spite of having the correct 'key'. The solution is to increase the dosage, hoping to affect more gates; again, this will reach a level when the number of available gates which still accept the 'key' has been exhausted, and so the dosage increase will not have any further effects. And, again, such drugs are also addictive, because, if the supply of 'keys' is suddenly drastically decreased, a lot of gates will 'demand' more 'keys', and this will produce withdrawal symptoms — which, by the way, are far more intense than those from stopping to smoke tobacco.

The pharmaceutical industry, however, has not given up. The current generation of drugs (as far as I'm aware) does something rather clever. Because the problem with the previous generation seemed to be a reaction to an excess of synthetic 'keys', they have developed new drugs that artificially enhance the production of natural keys. This is actually quite clever, because there are natural mechanisms for keeping the levels of the 'natural keys' within a safe level. What seems to happen with people with depression is that the production of those natural keys is somehow being prevented, so we have much lower numbers of them that we ought to have; artificially raising them to natural levels will get the whole serotonin cycle working correctly — and not being flushed out too quickly — while not forcing the organism to create extra gates, or get gates that stop functioning. If too many 'natural keys' are produced, because the dosage is too high, the organism naturally rejects them, and they are flushed out of the system; no harm is done that way. As a result, the current generation of drugs is not addictive, and doctors can tune the dosage so that enough 'natural keys' are produced, but not too many, so that the excess does not need to go to waste.

I know, this description is a bit boring, but I have to admit that I find all of this incredibly fascinating :) so that's why I also wished to share it with you. Basically, my point is that there are available drugs with tremendously sophisticated mechanisms to fight depression — and the current generation has little or no side-effects, does not induce sleepiness or 'dumbing down' (rather the contrary, certain combination of drugs will even give you a 'boost' to your energy levels), and has no addictive effect.

Why are the older generation of drugs still around, if the new ones are so much better? Well, there are many reasons. First of all, not all people react in the same way to all kinds of neurological drugs — you might be especially sensitive to one kind but not to other. Or the newest-generation of drugs, even though they are safer and have few side-effects, might not be able to raise the level of 'natural keys' to the serotonin gates in a way that it actively fights depression; in that case, there are combination drugs which might boost the effect, or, well, if all else fails, maybe an older generation, with a more direct approach, might produce better effects — and, eventually, once depression is cured, you might move to newer-generation drugs to avoid the withdrawal symptoms, and reduce the dosage, and so forth.

All this, as you can imagine, really requires an expert psychiatrist to know what needs to be done, what dosages are appropriate (the lowest possible that has a positive effect), how your organism is reacting, and what the actual results are. There are many, many drugs (and drug combinations) to deal with depression; and just because one or two drugs failed to achieve an effect, and had terrible side-effects besides, that doesn't mean there aren't other solutions around — it mostly means an uninformed doctor, who might just know a handful of popular drugs, and nothing else.

Each solution needs to be tailored specifically for each person. In my case, because I suffer both from anxiety and severe atypical depression (as its name implies, it doesn't have the typical symptoms of melancholic depression), I needed a complex cocktail of three drugs, all of which interact in well-known ways, which attack anxiety AND depression simultaneously, while keeping side-effects at a minimum, for my body type, age, and other health complications — so obviously 'my' solution will not be appropriate for anyone else. What I can say is that anxiety disappeared completely after just two weeks and didn't even need therapy for that; depression is much, much harder than that, and although I'm much better in almost all regards, I'm still unable to work (a problem that comes from atypical depression...), even though my mood is excellent in all other aspects, and I've certainly learned quite a lot from therapy about myself...

So... to conclude... yes, gender dysphoria cannot be fought with drugs and therapy (unless, of course, we are talking about HRT and transition...), but the associated negative effects, usually coming from depression and anxiety, can. The WPATH protocol demands that doctors start treating what is actually treatable through drugs and therapy. In many cases, if depression and anxiety are successfully controlled, gender dysphoria, while it cannot be eliminated, it might be at least bearable.

Interestingly enough, a number of studies shows quite clearly that some sort of hormonal therapy will have a positive effect in fighting depression and anxiety associated with gender dysphoria; however, it is not a recommended form of therapy, even though it is very popular in the USA and with clinical sexology expert doctors who have been training in the USA. The rest of the world has a mixed approach; in my country, the national health service will never prescribe hormones before depression and anxiety are controlled, although private doctors might have a different approach. Again, the point here is that there are options, and you really ought to have a few opinions from experts.

Remember, depression will not 'go away' on its own. Anxiety can be controlled, for example through mindfulness meditation; you can also naturally increase circulating serotonin by doing sports and participate in social events, both of which will help in fighting depression; but if all of those are really connected to gender dysphoria, then you need an expert to see what options you've got.

And now you can always tell the doctors that there are several generations of drugs available, and ask them to try the latest and greatest first, to see how well you respond. If not, there will always be choices. In the words of my psychiatrist: 'if all else fails, we even have electroshock therapy — not the kind that was done in the early 20th century, of course, but a contemporary approach — with which our institution has had a lot of success in fighting chronic depression'. Ouch! No, I'm not really interested in going that way myself :) ... but somehow it's nice to know that doctors, these days, are willing to think out of the box to find a treatment that works...
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DawnOday

Quote from: Paige on November 17, 2016, 03:15:52 PM
Hi All,

So I have been trying to muddle through on low dose E and avoid transitioning.  My wife has basically told me transitioning will end the relationship.  For 50 or so years I've been fighting this beast and even though I've progressed to low E, I full of indecision.

Anyway I went to the family doctor today and he believes in addition to my gender dysphoria that I'm mildly depressed.  He believes it might be helpful to maybe take antidepressants.  Has anyone else done this?  Did it help or just make the situation worse?

Thanks,
Paige :)
I've been on antidepressants ever since I had my heart problems start 25 years ago. I was out of work for eight months and ended up losing my job to Mexicali. Of course I had to train them to do my job. This put a kibosh on my nerves. I started out on prozac. Then I went to Citalopram and now I am on Citalopram and Wellbutrin together. But in my opinion the most effective drug I have taken for my peace of mind, is estradiol. Anger gone, dysphoria gone, blood pressure normal. I have gone from wondering if I was going to die today,to having hope for a future even though I am 65.
Dawn Oday

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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
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Paige

Hi All,

Thanks for the posts.  I have come back to this thread multiple times to make a comment but it's just been too hard.  Basically I've decided to not go on antidepressants.  For now I'm back on low dose E.  It makes me feel better and I can think straight again which I guess is what the antidepressants are for. 

I'm developing a little in the breasts now, there's a hard area developing on my left breast just to the left of my left nipple.  I'm guessing this is a breast bud forming.  I'll ask my doctor when I see him next.  I'm pretty sure and my breasts ache often now.  So I'm guessing their growing.  Hopefully this won't be too fast.  I think I may have an issue when t-shirt weather comes.

I'm don't know where I'm going with this but it feels right and I'm living day to day now.    The future will come and I'll have to deal with it then.

Thanks again for all the responses.
Paige :)

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