Okay, I think I passed a month o.o

So, this is what happened. More facial hair has started propping up in new regions, ditto for chest hair and ear hair x.x
It's happening really fast too, it usually takes a year to spread x.x

I'm crying a lot, so that's a good sign and I'm still depressed.
With any luck, the negative things will reverse in a month or two and will go in the right direction.
I see why people say that HRT is really cruel.

More updates, yay.

So, they're now saying that they want to go back to the U.K. in less than six months because they don't like this country. That's about the same length as my supply of pills. Fun. The ones which will probably take a few months just to overcome the suppression, thus stopping new hairs from growing in new regions. After that, I won't have a single pill more ever as the U.K is extremely, extremely strict.

They want to stay in the U.K. for less than a year before yet again moving somewhere else, because they're bored and want to travel. Any tips on the best way to just kill the little androgen factory...?
My left "breast" is sore, but it's probably because I keep plucking hairs out with my trusty tweezers, contrary to the delusions in my imagination

Go back for another six-month supply before you leave.

And yes, anti-androgens can take a while to be effective.  Hang in there!

Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 24, 2016, 08:15:04 AM
Go back for another six-month supply before you leave.

And yes, anti-androgens can take a while to be effective.  Hang in there!

That's impossible. Customs would confiscate it. They confiscate everything, as everything could be a bomb or cocaine.

Mm, it might take a few months for the super rapid masculinisation to end. And then, we'll see about feminisation.
At the current speed, I'm thinking perhaps 5 - 6 months for the breast growth to begin?
I'm slowly being driven insane by the paranoia about whether the pills work at all.

What is your regimen?  Not the doses in particular, but what are you taking?

Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 25, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
What is your regimen?  Not the doses in particular, but what are you taking?

I take a pill every-day at 9am of estradiol valerate. Spirowhatsacallit is like $80, so I passed on that and it'll be hard to get it past the hawks anyway. I might as-well be taking sugar pills with how ineffective it is, any tips on killing the androgen factory?

Xirafel, for the UK, you could contact GenderGP.co.uk which is basically an informed consent route to private HRT. If you reach out to them before you get here, they might be able to prescribe while you're here.

If I recall, the U.K requires a year of running around in a dress humiliating yourself and a year of therapy before getting a single pill. You probably need the therapy for the trauma of doing that x.x
We're going to stay there less than a year. No, perhaps not even six months before going to yet another different country, not Australia.

I would be better off slitting my own throat than to be laughed and sneered at in that country.
It's the sort of place where I would be *attacked* for doing something like that. I was born there. I know.
Even if by some miracle I did get approved (it won't happen), the NHS would probably kill me by completely messing up the monitoring or giving the wrong doses, they are *that* incompetent.

I've posted an article demonstrating their incompetence to show that they aren't the saints some here think they are.
There are countless dozens of similar horror stories in other news articles.
Also, where am I going to get the money for private, assuming that they can get around the regulation? I can't even afford $80 for a pack of anti-androgens x.x

Quote from: Xirafel on November 25, 2016, 03:11:58 AM
If I recall, the U.K requires a year of running around in a dress humiliating yourself and a year of therapy before getting a single pill. You probably need the therapy for the trauma of doing that x.x
We're going to stay there less than a year. No, perhaps not even six months before going to yet another different country, not Australia.

From talking to friends in the UK, not only is it not NHS policy to enforce a years RLE before hormones, none of the GIC's will try and make you do it either.. You're out of date on that one..

QuoteI would be better off slitting my own throat than to be laughed and sneered at in that country.
It's the sort of place where I would be *attacked* for doing something like that. I was born there. I know.
Even if by some miracle I did get approved (it won't happen), the NHS would probably kill me by completely messing up the monitoring or giving the wrong doses, they are *that* incompetent.

Again, either wrong or way out of date info. Is the NHS perfect? Hell no, but they are way better than you give them credit for.

QuoteI've posted an article demonstrating their incompetence to show that they aren't the saints some here think they are.
There are countless dozens of similar horror stories in other news articles.
Also, where am I going to get the money for private, assuming that they can get around the regulation? I can't even afford $80 for a pack of anti-androgens x.x

Things like that can happen anywhere. One of the more popular Thai surgeons practices out of his own "clinic" because no Thai hospital will let him in the door - he's happy to flaunt the rules to make his money, never mind the patient. Another has a habit of leaving behind things he shouldn't after SRS. Again, there is no forced RLE for hormones in the UK.

The NHS has nearly killed me before, and caused permanent brain damage to me in the process.
Also, the NHS doctors are pretty aggressive and impatient.

You want me to deal with the people who nearly killed me?
And no clue about that one, judging by how everyone is all smiles about the NHS, I'm not sure how much information I can really trust.

I nearly died in Melbourne's premier paediatric hospital as a 13yo. I was being treated by doctors and surgeons with serious reputations and yet I still almost died. I'm not about to start crapping on the rest of the health system because of it. I know what the cause was and it was not something that could have been predicted.

Have you actually read the NHS treatment policies for trans people? Have you read ANY of the threads here by the UK members? You seem to have a very fixed idea of reality and little desire to find the truth..

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the NHS, I agree they leave alot to be desired! GenderGP is a private service. I used them for a 2 month HRT trial, they were quick and supportive. Some medical questions, and a single psych' review on the phone and I had a prescription through my letter within a couple of weeks. If you contact them before getting to the UK they might work well for the short time you're here.

Quote from: kelly_aus on November 25, 2016, 04:11:17 AM
I nearly died in Melbourne's premier paediatric hospital as a 13yo. I was being treated by doctors and surgeons with serious reputations and yet I still almost died. I'm not about to start crapping on the rest of the health system because of it. I know what the cause was and it was not something that could have been predicted.

Have you actually read the NHS treatment policies for trans people? Have you read ANY of the threads here by the UK members? You seem to have a very fixed idea of reality and little desire to find the truth..

It totally could have been prevented and now I'm a cripple. They let it happen. Quit trolling.
I did some research into the subject, but I never thought I'd have to go to that stinkhole of a country, ugh.

My area was dangerous. I'm still looking behind me to see if someone's following me.

Quote from: meganjames2 on November 25, 2016, 04:11:23 AM
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the NHS, I agree they leave alot to be desired! GenderGP is a private service. I used them for a 2 month HRT trial, they were quick and supportive. Some medical questions, and a single psych' review on the phone and I had a prescription through my letter within a couple of weeks. If you contact them before getting to the UK they might work well for the short time you're here.

How much does it cost...?

Quote from: Xirafel on November 25, 2016, 04:20:37 AM
It totally could have been prevented and now I'm a cripple. They let it happen. Quit trolling.
How much does it cost...?

I'm trolling? You come here and whine and complain about things and yet seem to do almost zero to help yourself.. Trolls don't last long enough on this site to make 3800 posts or gain 83 positive rep points. I've lived with being trans for almost 30 years and have lived as an openly trans woman for the last 6 years. I put in a lot of effort (and money) to get to where I am..

Quote from: kelly_aus on November 25, 2016, 04:27:57 AM
I'm trolling? You come here and whine and complain about things and yet seem to do almost zero to help yourself.. Trolls don't last long enough on this site to make 3800 posts or gain 83 positive rep points. I've lived with being trans for almost 30 years and have lived as an openly trans woman for the last 6 years. I put in a lot of effort (and money) to get to where I am..

Anyone can troll. Absolutely anyone. Someone could have a million posts, but they could still troll. Being trans doesn't make you not a troll. And it doesn't mean that trolling constitutes your very identity. Perhaps, you hate me specifically.
Heck, there's nothing that stops a moderator from trolling and using some bland excuse like... "I'm just really blunt with my opinions." Right? Okay, I'll back away before I get zapped down for accosting someone important.

Mm, that's the purpose of these forums, perhaps I should post in the venting ones, perhaps not.
I come here to vent off. Also, I've done a fair bit of research, but it basically boils to me getting the middle finger, because I won't be there for a year to undergo a year of therapy or don't have lots of money to throw at the problem.

I agree, money is a magical thing. If I was a billionaire, my problems would be resolved within five minutes.
I could just bribe the therapist with $20,000 to write a letter on the spot, and bribe my way through the whole process within a day.

I've made other posts on GenderGP and the costs. But the initial assessments are a few hundred dollars. There is a monthly fee of about 30 dollars plus the cost of any prescriptions. In my case, the Evorel E patches were about 15 dollars for a months supply. I didn't have AA's for my trial and I was already on Finasteride. Info is all on their website. They use ClearChemist.co.uk for the prescriptions, so the drug pricing can be found there.

Quote from: Xirafel on November 25, 2016, 12:59:16 AMI take a pill every-day at 9am of estradiol valerate. Spirowhatsacallit is like $80, so I passed on that and it'll be hard to get it past the hawks anyway. I might as-well be taking sugar pills with how ineffective it is, any tips on killing the androgen factory?

If I were you, I'd do everything in my power to raise $80 and get the spiro.  The estrogen you're taking will not prevent the testosterone you're generating from continuing to masculinize your body.  An anti-androgen is rather crucial for this phase of the game. 

And you're smart, I'm sure you can get it past the hawks. You got the estrogen past them, after all.

My brain is kind of damaged. According to the neuro-whatsacallit, it's something to do with memory recall. The connection between something and something. Mm, some things are really, really super hard to recall sometimes. I believe it was the long term memory.

Therapists are going to be fun to deal with, as the U.K. tends to be fond of obstructive bureaucrats who use anything as an excuse. E.g. Being unable to recall things when demanded. I'm sure they could invent a fantasy like me making it up as I go along, especially if they think I'm "disconnected from reality".

That woman knows about the problem, but she's a psychologist and psychologists are great at psychological manipulation. I can't describe how extremely manipulative they are. The main mistake she made was thinking that she knew the slightest thing about me, as she gets her information from my parents who are living in their own delusions.

I sometimes think my parents need a psychologist more than I do.
They are so far off the rails that it's scary, and they've been disturbingly impulsive lately.

Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 25, 2016, 08:08:24 AM
If I were you, I'd do everything in my power to raise $80 and get the spiro.  The estrogen you're taking will not prevent the testosterone you're generating from continuing to masculinize your body.  An anti-androgen is rather crucial for this phase of the game. 

And you're smart, I'm sure you can get it past the hawks. You got the estrogen past them, after all.

I fought long and hard to get $100 into that bank account.
It only has $7 left now, courtesy of the estrogen. I literally emptied my bank account buying that. And I got really, really super lucky with getting it past them.

You are correct, I'm not doing everything in my power. The problem is that it would be far, far too crippling to use those methods to gathering money. Many of which are small short term gains for major, major long term losses. Maybe, if I was ten, and kept trying to cut it off with a knife, then someone might take me seriously, but at this age? Good luck.

When I bought the pills, the options were basically. Buy anti-androgens and have nothing happen. Of course, nothing happens is preferable to masculinisation, but who wants to merely do that? Or buy estrogen and having the changes start popping up eventually.

Besides, it should slowly build up in the bloodstream, and should eventually reach a concentration capable of somewhat suppressing the androgens.
Unfortunately, my body is a pile of c**p. I wonder if there are any methods for suppressing the androgen factory other than the classics like injecting it with bleach, or the method which will produce the loudest scream this neighbourhood has ever heard.

Quote from: Xirafel on November 26, 2016, 08:23:39 AM
Unfortunately, my body is a pile of c**p. I wonder if there are any methods for suppressing the androgen factory other than the classics like injecting it with bleach, or the method which will produce the loudest scream this neighbourhood has ever heard.

I would strongly advise against considering that approach. We have a member who attempted that approach and fortunately she called emergency services before the attempt. She still almost bled out before they reached her and the pain left the job half done. Besides that, you could be damaging possible donor material making surgery far more difficult.

I'll have to do something about that little parasite. I don't think it likes hot water, maybe that'll be the way.
Even hot-warm water makes it complain. Sensitive thing.

I would look at anatomical charts to see which part produces the androgens, but simply looking at the thing disgusts me.