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I'm kind of scared about the next years ahead

Started by redhot1, November 22, 2016, 06:29:53 PM

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DawnOday

It takes a good leader to work with Congress to achieve mutual agreement for the good of the country. The Constitution does not give the president dictatorial authority to bypass Congress on such matters.

The Constitution also gives the president authority to deploy the military temporally, under certain conditions, without prior Congressional authority.  Bill Clinton also exercised that authority.

It is too soon to know how Trump will handle these matters and if he will succeed for the benefit of the country.

As for racism; Obama would never have been elected if he had not received a large white vote.

Every president in the past was given the opportunity to see what he could accomplish (Obama had it twice).  Trump now deserves our support and the same opportunity.
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mac1

Quote from: Deborah on November 25, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
How does uniting the people by executive order work?  That is simply authoritarian dictator language.  And you wonder why people are concerned.
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Look at the past 8 years for the answer to that question.
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Deborah

To quote a Republican President I did vote for, "There you go again!"

You all are forever carrying on about executive orders. The fact is that Obama issued fewer executive orders (249), than Bush II (291), Reagan (381), Nixon (346), or Eisenhower (486).

Source: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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DawnOday

Quote from: Deborah on November 25, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
How does uniting the people by executive order work?  That is simply authoritarian dictator language.  And you wonder why people are concerned.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves


How does an EO work? The President is CEO of the United States. Like other executives he has control over his workers. Obama has created EOs to allow gays into the military of which he is CIC. He has created immigrations EO's just as GOP presidents signed 18 EO concerning immigration since Eisenhower. He has not used an EO to declare martial law. He has written EO's because of Congress obstruction. I even remember Obama having dinners to which Cons were invited but turned down the invites. But he needed to fill out his administrations so he installed department heads because Congress obstructed. Congress was so against Obama accomplishing anything the kept two people on hand during the recess so Obama could make no appointments. And for a Con to miss recess...
Obama to date has 260 EO's. Bush Jr. had 292. Reagan 381, Nixon 346. Please enlighten me what Obama EO do you have a problem with? Just note the above for precedence.

AngieT Nothing to do with testosterone here. Sometime T gets mistaken for facts. Facts anyone of any faith, color, sex, immigration status can consult.
Dawn Oday

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Deborah

Quote from: DawnOday on November 25, 2016, 03:05:36 PM
Please enlighten me what Obama EO do you have a problem with? Just note the above for precedence.
I don't have a problem with his EOs.  I misunderstood the gist of the post I was responding to.

But my point was that EOs are for getting something specific done.  They are not for some amorphous concept like uniting the country.



It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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DawnOday

Quote from: Deborah on November 25, 2016, 02:55:14 PM
To quote a Republican President I did vote for, "There you go again!"

You all are forever carrying on about executive orders. The fact is that Obama issued fewer executive orders (249), than Bush II (291), Reagan (381), Nixon (346), or Eisenhower (486).

Source: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves

I voted for Reagan too. I learned, after finding crack in my neighborhood supplied by Mr Reagan Mr Bush and the CIA.  No more Cons for me. I wonder why Hillary was not allowed to testify "no recollection" 88 times. Sometimes I wish my memory was compromised by my stroke but I can recall minutiae and sometimes it's a curse. Not this time.
Dawn Oday

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mac1

Who is leading the effort to get the election results in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania changed?
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Deborah

Quote from: mac1 on November 25, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Who is leading the effort to get the election results in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania changed?
That would be Jill Stein.  She is asking for a recount.  Since your president elect was so adamant that the entire system was broken and corrupt I should think you would fully support any effort to expose that corruption.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Deborah

Quote from: DawnOday on November 25, 2016, 03:26:31 PM

I voted for Reagan too. I learned, after finding crack in my neighborhood supplied by Mr Reagan Mr Bush and the CIA.  No more Cons for me. I wonder why Hillary was not allowed to testify "no recollection" 88 times. Sometimes I wish my memory was compromised by my stroke but I can recall minutiae and sometimes it's a curse. Not this time.
I still like Reagan.  I was commissioned in the Army at the beginning of the Reagan era.  We were still in the post Vietnam era and had lots of problems.  Under Reagan the military was transformed into something never before seen, allowing us to achieve the near miraculous victory in the First Gulf War.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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DawnOday

Quote from: mac1 on November 25, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
DawnOday

It takes a good leader to work with Congress to achieve mutual agreement for the good of the country. The Constitution does not give the president dictatorial authority to bypass Congress on such matters.

The Constitution also gives the president authority to deploy the military temporally, under certain conditions, without prior Congressional authority.  Bill Clinton also exercised that authority.

It is too soon to know how Trump will handle these matters and if he will succeed for the benefit of the country.

As for racism; Obama would never have been elected if he had not received a large white vote.

Every president in the past was given the opportunity to see what he could accomplish (Obama had it twice).  Trump now deserves our support and the same opportunity.

There are only so many concessions one can make before you realize everything is going one way. Obstruction, disrespect for the position, and a promise to obstruct from the very beginning. No other President has been addressed disrespectfully as Obama has. I would think you would love a Christian family man. But no, Obama can't have his religion. Like it or not he is Christian and always has been. Obamas wife cannot even expose her arms without complaint. But Trumps wife can go nude. and nobody says a thing. Obama can't even have his own birthplace of Hawaii which by the time he was born was proclaimed the 50th state. Does anyone have any idea what a stretch it is to claim the documents are fake. Even though you cannot fake a newspaper published over 50 years ago.
Since Republicans have gained control of Congress
Partisan fights remain, and senators aren't spending much time on the floor debating bills — but they are passing them, and at a surprising clip.
All told, including the 31 Senate bills and 42 House-written bills, Congress approved 73 measures that Mr. Obama signed into law from January through the end of June. That's nearly three times the number of bills approved in the first six months of 2015 and 20 more than in 2014, which was the last year Democrats had control of the Senate.
Why is it too soon. Trump has a track record of division and derision. Putting down blacks as thugs, mexicans as rapists, Jews as owning entertainment  industry, disabled are spaztic, a war hero is a loser because he got captured. Beauty queens are fat, assault is acceptable, vile rhetoric is encouraged. Nationalists are applauded, Nazi's and KKK have gone mainstream. I don't know what country you are from but in America those are not positive traits. Please tell me again how. According to Trump the President can't have a conflict of interest. Tearing down infrastructure and replacing it with toll roads. Endorsing the fact in certain states you cannot even go to the bathroom, marry your partner, share custody of a child. You do not have the right to healthcare, if you want to change your name, do it now. In two months you won't be able to. I know I can't convince you are anyone else that is immune to facts but hey maybe someone else will read and realize what's been going on. What I do know, Obama is the best President of my lifetime. Every opportunity to bring Hope and Change was twarted by the 9% Congress. And when he failed there was "How is that hopey changy thing going for you. You had Rush Limbaugh complaining before Obama even warm the seat in the Oval Office.
Dawn Oday

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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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mac1

Positions like that will continue to divide and not heal the country. Is that what you desire?  Obama was given 8 years to try.  Now Trump deserves his chance to see if he can unite the country and move forward. That is what he is offering and asking the people to accept.  Our country depends on the president's success.
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cheryl reeves

The liberal mindset is so one sided they don't stop and comprehend why conservatives control almost the entire USA right now. Barry Sotoero to lied to Harvard and had his law license revoked,michelle had hers revoked for fraud. Barry Sotoero was the first president since the founding that was born on foreign soil and moved from Kenya to Indonesia where he became a Indonesian citizen and applied to Princeton as a foreign student,he didn't have a U.S. passport Til he became President. The republicans were elected to control both houses to stop the liberal spending spree when the democrats took control near the end of Bush's second term they caused the problems we have had. Like I said city folk don't understand country folk.
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Deborah

CLAIM: Barack and Michelle Obama surrendered their law licenses to avoid pending disciplinary actions.  FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

Obama born in Kenya. FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp

It never ends.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Kitty June

After trying to talk on fb since the election, I'm amazed at all the bogus "news" stories. Critical thinking has gone out the window.
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AngieT

The partisan hate fest on Susans continues. 

If we can't even "agree to disagree" with other posters on Susan's, the community really is doomed to failure.  If I want to discuss politics, there are more civil places to do so elsewhere. 

*********

To the moderators:

Is it possible to delete my account, please? I think I'm done here.

Best wishes,

Angie


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Mariah

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Lets please keep it civil. I would like to be able to keep this topic open for discussion, but that is hard to do if people can't get along. I know people have different view points and reasons for them, but that doesn't mean that we can't get along with each other. Thanks
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tgchar21

@DawnODay - I think the right to change one's name is safe, since otherwise it'd have (probably unconstitutional) effects beyond the transgender community.
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mac1

Let it rest.  Put the negative aside.  Look on the positive.  Unite for the good of the country.
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SadieBlake

Quote from: mac1 on November 25, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
Positions like that will continue to divide and not heal the country. Is that what you desire?  Obama was given 8 years to try.  Now Trump deserves his chance to see if he can unite the country and move forward. That is what he is offering and asking the people to accept.  Our country depends on the president's success.

Our president did succeed, the economy is better today than anyone had dared hope in 2008/9 and or debt as a proportion of gnp is in line with where it was post WWII, consistent with paying for the huge expense of paying for a war.

Obviously I (and most of the left) accept that Trump won and sure he gets his chance. That doesn't mean rolling over for an agenda that I don't believe in and I foresee a serious invigoration of grass roots activism.

Because this is the greatest strength of the US, ultimately government follows the people, not vise versa.

Barack accomplished what he did in spite of the most dysfunctional and least popular Congress in history and if he'd been eligible for a third term he'd almost certainly have won.
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