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The nightmare of electrolysis

Started by jentay1367, December 16, 2016, 02:50:49 PM

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SadieBlake

Quote from: Maybebaby56 on December 17, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
I rather admire you for that.  I am one scared little rabbit when it comes to social presentation, or at least I was.  Passing means everything to me.  To me, it is my only protection against insults, perceived or real, embarrassment, or possibly being physically assaulted.

Oh, nothing per se admirable, tho thanks for saying it :-)

I would say that for me I will feel safer non-passing. I'm a formidable 5'11" 220lbs and fit enough as well as trained in a martial style of t'ai chi to feel I can take care of myself. However I also know I've never felt as vulnerable as when I've been out en femme, feeling like that makes me a target. And then situational awareness has kept me out of a lot of trouble over the years.

Make no mistake, if I felt passing was a better look for me I'd find a way to pay for it and spend the required hours. I'd like nothing more than to present in the feminine binary and I don't expect transition to fully cure my social dysphoria. So I'm just playing the hand that's been dealt, making the best I can of it.
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jentay1367

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All this talk of passing made me want to throw in a quick comment. I want to pass (blend?) as well. But not for anyone elseor for some "privilege", perceived or real. I just want to look in the mirror and see the me I was supposed to be. Period. Many cis-women barely pass. Passing is a perceived construct. I have seen many a crossdresser that looks more female than many of us as well as many a  cis-woman. But this isn't about what people see when they look at me....it's about who "I" see. I will stop all my obsessive behavior when I see "me". Hopefully, I'll know when I have arrived. But I feel at this point that I am on a mission to fix what nature or god screwed up or more glibly stated, cheated me out of. Hopefully this grail I seek is enough that when I'm through and I don't come to find I have other co-morbid problems to add to the mix. I as well of the rest of us, live in hope.
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stephaniec

no shaving would be a profound felling . but the cost both physically and financially is just too much for me unless a rich relative that I had no idea existed died and left me money.
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stephaniec

actually I think there are more of us out there than are willing to admit it. I was at the LGBTQ... clinic I go to yesterday and saw a nice woman my age who was dressed  according  to her age group who you could tell didn't have electro so whatever.
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stephaniec

there are plenty of cis woman with hormone imbalances that have whiskers . When I was in the psych ward last week because they didn't trust us with razors there was another woman who grew a go tee.
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jentay1367

Quote from: stephaniec on December 17, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
there are plenty of cis woman with hormone imbalances that have whiskers . When I was in the psych ward last week because they didn't trust us with razors there was another woman who grew a go tee.

It's a wild and varied world, Steph. Everybody has to follow the path they have or the one they can...... within the confines of the means we have and the inclinations that compel us. In a perfect world, the binary that is socially instilled in our youth will change so people can quit being forced to live in the metaphoric cages that we build for ourselves. I'm so sorry to hear you were having issues last week. I hope 2017 is your year and things come together for you, dear. Good luck and take care of yourself! Lisa
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DawnOday

Quote from: Maybebaby56 on December 17, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Passing means everything to me.  To me, it is my only protection against insults, perceived or real, embarrassment, or possibly being physically assaulted.

The best protection is education. Education of the poor unfortunates that don't understand our condition. The only way we can break through is by being visible. Even with warts or whiskers.  So throw my hat into the acceptance arena. I want people to say, "oh that's her" and go on about their business, knowing that I will never question their motives for being the person they were born to be.  As to the subject I am really blessed in that I found a couple of electrologists suffering from PCOS that understand. They charge $60 an hour to torture me. I think I would prefer waterboarding. 4 hours so far.
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stephaniec

Quote from: jentay1367 on December 17, 2016, 01:46:58 PM
It's a wild and varied world, Steph. Everybody has to follow the path they have or the one they can...... within the confines of the means we have and the inclinations that compel us. In a perfect world, the binary that is socially instilled in our youth will change so people can quit being forced to live in the metaphoric cages that we build for ourselves. I'm so sorry to hear you were having issues last week. I hope 2017 is your year and things come together for you, dear. Good luck and take care of yourself! Lisa
I'm all right I was forced to do something I really did not want to do to get me off the street, it's in the single digits here in Chicago
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Jasmine777

Wow I'm impressed so one else knows what water boarding is


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KayXo

Quote from: Ms Grace on December 16, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
Which type of electro are you having? Galvanic or thermolysis. Galvanic is usually multi probe while thermolysis is single needle. Personally I swear by galvanic...almost 100% permanently cleared after about 130 hours (over two years), but I didn't have a particularly thick or heavy beard to start with. I know of people still going with thermolysis hundreds of hours later.

I had thermolysis and after about 125-150 hours, was done on my face. Though, previously, I had already had 6 laser sessions. Left no scars and no hair growth to speak of years later.

QuoteSome of it is also down to the skill of the tech, if they only ever fire up the machine for you and old granny chin hairs then they may not have the skill to deal with full beard removal. My tech has many trans clients over many years and thousands of hours so she really knows how to get in there as effectively and efficiently as possible.

My tech was also quite skilled and experienced with transpeople. The right amount of "firepower" was used, not too much, not too little and a microscope was also used to help see things accurately. When the hair is removed, you SHOULD NOT FEEL IT. This indicates it was effectively targeted.

Quote from: Michelle_P on December 16, 2016, 03:06:00 PM
At this point your tech has zapped a whole bunch of hairs that were in their mature, active Anagen phase.

Hopefully, as only these hairs can be effectively destroyed.

QuoteAnagen phase lasts 2-8 years, often longer!), and meanwhile, a bunch of hairs that were "resting" in catagen phase (3-4 weeks) or telogen phase (9 months) have woken up, repopulating your beard.

These phases differ by body region and even on the face, by area.

Gurpreet S. Ahluwalia (ed.), Cosmetic Applications of Laser and Light-Based Systems, 3-35, 2009 William Andrew Inc.

"The duration of hair cycle stages varies in different body areas. Human scalp hair
follicles have the longest anagen phase, which can last up to several years; they also display
a relatively short catagen phase (1-2 weeks) followed by a telogen phase lasting several
months. The majority of scalp hair follicles are in anagen (80-SS%), with the rest either in
catagen (2%) or telogen (10-15%). The anagen phase of follicles in other body regions is
substantially shorter, for example on the arms, legs, and thighs it ranges from 3 to 4 months
[26]. It is clear that anagen length generally determines hair length; long scalp hairs are
produced by follicles with anagens over 2 years, while short finger hairs only grow for
around 2 months [91]."

It can also vary according to season.

"Winter beard and thigh hair growth rate were low, but increased significantly in the summer (Fig. 1. 6)."

"Testosterone changes probably alter beard and thigh hair growth rate, but they are less likely to regulate scalp follicles as seasonal changes also occur in women."

In this study (The Journal of Investigative Dermatology, 1970, Vol 54, No. 1), it was found that anagen lasted from 4 to 29 weeks in the mustache area, showing great inter-individual variability and even increasing with age. The phase lasted longer in the scalp (VERY long), pubic (quite long) and leg areas but was shorter in the arm and finger regions.

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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DawnOday

PMs are welcome. Dena You are the only woman I know where PMS is welcome.  >:-)
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First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
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Maybebaby56

Quote from: DawnOday on December 17, 2016, 02:20:27 PM
The best protection is education. Education of the poor unfortunates that don't understand our condition.

No, I do not believe it is. You can't educate those who do not want to learn, Dawn.  There are people who enjoy hurting other people, who like nothing more than a victim to attack, someone "not like them".  Education has nothing to do with it.  Hatred and bigotry is its own reward for those who practice it.

With kindness,

Terri
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives" - Annie Dillard
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Michelle_P

I'd love it if everyone were somehow educated to accept us.  Alas, there are others in positions of authority or leadership who educate their followers in rather a different direction.

As long as we look different from the accepted gender binary patterns in our culture, we will be recognized only as "the alien", the outsider to be perceived as a threat to the tribe, someone to be feared and driven off.  This is pretty hardwired primitive behavior in homo ignoramus. 

I do electrolysis to avoid being seen as the alien, the bearded lady.  Also, dysphoria.  Meanwhile, I buy buckets of concealer, corrector, and full coverage foundation, and spend 20-30 minutes every morning troweling it on so as not to upset and be noticed by the tribe.

It is the way of our people.

My electrolyst gives her transwomen patients a nice price break.  We ARE awfully good customers, after all.  As she was, once. 

I've got one more 2 1/4 hour session this year, on Monday, then a holiday break.  I resume in January, and will be stepping up to two 2 hour sessions on Mondays.   Yah.  The dysphoria I have related to that hair is strong, and intensely unpleasant.  It has GOT TO GO.  I'll do the long, doubled sessions until I'm clear, then whatever it takes to stay cleared.

Not that I'm desperate or anything...


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My personal transition path included medical changes.  The path others take may require no medical intervention, or different care.  We each find our own path. I provide these dates for the curious.
Electrolysis - Hours in The Chair: 238 (8.5 were preparing for GCS, five clearings); On estradiol patch June 2016; Full-time Oct 22, 2016; GCS Oct 20, 2017; FFS Aug 28, 2018; Stage 2 labiaplasty revision and BA Feb 26, 2019
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LizK

Quote from: jentay1367 on December 17, 2016, 10:47:14 AM
it's about who "I" see. I will stop all my obsessive behavior when I see "me". Hopefully, I'll know when I have arrived...

I could not agree more with you...its about who I see in the mirror. When I can see her then I will be happy...this is as much a psychological journey as a physical one...if my beard did not invoke such awful feelings in me then I would not be getting rid of it...it is a hard painful slog that takes determination.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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LizK

Quote from: Michelle_P on December 17, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
  Yah.  The dysphoria I have related to that hair is strong, and intensely unpleasant.  It has GOT TO GO.  I'll do the long, doubled sessions until I'm clear, then whatever it takes to stay cleared.

Not that I'm desperate or anything...


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When I try an describe electrolysis to people I know they all screw up their face at me and say things like ewwwh , how painful and when I say I have to have facial injections they look at me like something from outer space...what they don't get but you and I do.... is the why of it!

I know exactly how it makes me feel, so I have an idea how you might be feeling  Michelle...that overwhelming desire to see this crap banished forever. For me, I will just keep going until I am done...I can't stop...I can't have this crap on my face and this is not negotiable.

At 2 hours a session you should smash it...have you completed one full clearance yet? If not you can't be far away.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Michelle_P

Quote from: ElizabethK on December 17, 2016, 07:58:41 PM
At 2 hours a session you should smash it...have you completed one full clearance yet? If not you can't be far away.

I'm getting there.  The chin and lower lip, out to about an inch on each side of the mouth, are clear and just need touch ups.  The upper lip hair is maybe 70% gone.  All the black hairs are gone.  I'm at 47.25 hours now, will be 49.5 Monday afternoon.  I'll be well past 100 hours by this summer and hope to be hearing "That's it for this session, no hairs left for the day" this summer.

Maybe I'll celebrate by starting clearing at the South Pole for SRS...


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Earth my body, water my blood, air my breath and fire my spirit.

My personal transition path included medical changes.  The path others take may require no medical intervention, or different care.  We each find our own path. I provide these dates for the curious.
Electrolysis - Hours in The Chair: 238 (8.5 were preparing for GCS, five clearings); On estradiol patch June 2016; Full-time Oct 22, 2016; GCS Oct 20, 2017; FFS Aug 28, 2018; Stage 2 labiaplasty revision and BA Feb 26, 2019
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LizK

Quote from: Michelle_P on December 17, 2016, 08:06:26 PM

"That's it for this session, no hairs left for the day" this summer.

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Can't wait till I hear that...although she did run out of work in the numb area last time LOL not quite the same though
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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jentay1367

QuoteNot that I'm desperate or anything...   


l.o.l .......you kill me, michelle



QuoteAt 2 hours a session you should smash it...have you completed one full clearance yet? If not you can't be far away.   


I've got 88 hours with 4 hours a week....every week. I hardly feel like I'm "killing it"   loooooong way away from first clearing ........I live in hope though






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AutumnLeaves

I did not find electrolysis to be a nightmare. Having facial hair was the real nightmare for me, and I never, ever could have been happy if I had not had my beard removed early on. I started transition pretty early for the time period, but I also went through puberty early and had a fair amount of beard. I didn't have a lot of money, but I still made it work. To this day I consider my facial electrolysis to be the Number One thing I did for my passability along with my orchiectomy. I think it probably took around 100 to 120 hours over several years to remove all my facial hair. I had thermolysis, and after two passes on most areas I noticed a definite reduction. At 80 hours I would think you would be seeing some serious results. Were I doing it all over again today I would probably consider going to one of those places where they do large amounts of hair removal over a couple of days, as it would have been much more time-efficient, but I would caution about too much intense treatment around the mouth (especially the upper lip) in one go. I am now undergoing genital and bikini line electrolysis in preparation for SRS, and if anything techniques have improved and I have less discomfort now than I did back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
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Janes Groove

Quote from: ElizabethK on December 17, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
Since having surgery the other day I haven't really been up to shaving but there are great smooth patches along my jawline that feel great...I estimate 4 hrs for the final full clearance of all "grey posts" yahooooooo so by mid feb we should be onto the second and easier clearance with new growth from dormant follicles

That's wonderful. Wish I was there already. I'm jealous.
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