Hi,
I have been having doubts about my own gender identity since I was a kid. I was born a guy but sometimes I feel I should have been born a girl.

Off lately, as I read more about stuff, I think I might have found some answers.

Apparently, guys who have longer index fingers compared to ring fingers have transgender tendencies. The reason for this is because of exposure to hormones during pregnancy. The fingers have receptors which cause the lengthening. Too much estrogen and the index finger elongates. Too much testosterone and the ring finger elongates.

When I read this and checked my own hand, I had the shock of my life; my index fingers WERE INDEED LONGER than my ring fingers...on BOTH hands.

So I want to know if you have the same issue with your hands; being born a guy, do you have longer or shorter index fingers?

And IF you are a girl, it's just the opposite. Normal girls have longer index fingers and shorter ring fingers. The opposite of this indicates transgender tendencies.

-Curioussam

They appear to be equal on my hands.

Welcome to Susan's Place, Sam! That finger length deal is probably a bunch of hooey. The fact that you question  your gender is much more telling. People who aren't transgender rarely do that, and it's never a lifelong thought for them. See you around the site!

Hugs, Devlyn

Maybe not so much proof of transgender tendencies as an indication of possible high inutero exposure to estrogen.

A couple more things like that:
Our arms are usually longer than a guys if you measure across our chests from finger tip to finger tip than we are tall.

Our arms stick out at an angle at the elbows to make it better to hold a baby. That's why we usually suck at throwing a baseball.

We have an extra vertebrae in the curvature of our low backs, and one less in the upper, to offset the baby when we are pregnant (That's why yoga is so easy for us compared to guys).

I know it's a silly kids game but it's really hard for a guy to lean over a chair with his head against the wall, lift the chair and stand up like us girls can!

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 12, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
Welcome to Susan's Place, Sam! That finger length deal is probably a bunch of hooey. The fact that you question  your gender is much more telling. People who aren't transgender rarely do that, and it's never a lifelong thought for them. See you around the site!

Hugs, Devlyn

Agreed. Ive read many studies about finger length being an indicator of  'X' ect ect. Theyre all different and no two 'experts' agree.

Ive done that silly chair excercise countless times. It doesnt prove anything either. Lol

The chair experiment is pretty interesting.  I can't do angle one if my heels are right up against the wall because my butt is too big but I can do it easily with my heels about two inches away from the wall.  Angle one, on the other hand, is ridiculously easy for me.

Hi,
So I just got another shock...
   
The user 'flytrap' mentioned how the angle of the arms in women make them bad at throwing baseballs. Incidentally, I sucked at throwing the ball throughout my childhood. I never made it to the sports team because I couldn't throw the ball high enough.

And I doubt it's coincidence...


-Curioussam

Quote from: curioussam on January 12, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
Hi,
So I just got another shock...
   
The user 'flytrap' mentioned how the angle of the arms in women make them bad at throwing baseballs. Incidentally, I sucked at throwing the ball throughout my childhood. I never made it to the sports team because I couldn't throw the ball high enough.

And I doubt it's coincidence...


-Curioussam

Yep, PE was the bane of my youth.  My coach could not seem to get enough of making fun of me.
"You throw like a girl!"
"You run like a girl!"

I avoided that class like the plague, if he were not enough of an embarrassment, being forced to change in a locker room was.. instead I would wear my sweats under my pants, as well as my gym shirt under my regular shirt.  Alternatively, I would change in the bathroom.

Good times I tell you!  My brother liked to lay it into me as well, being that he played football and was pretty good at sports.. I played mostly girl characters in D&D lol..  I'm surprised no one ever caught on in my youth, I wonder if my parents would have an ah-ha moment if I ever tell them.

Dang, I talk alot 

Those "tests" are more party tricks than anything else.  For what it is worth, my index and ring fingers are exactly equal, which is borderline, but officially on the female side.  I have some of the other signs of DES exposure: very light body hair; pubic hair closer to the female pattern than the male pattern.  And good reason, given my mother's medical history, to suspect DES exposure.

None of which means anything.  It is comforting that this evidence supports the view that being trans is based in biology, rather than a choice.  'Cause it sure didn't feel like a choice.  But none of it is diagnostic.

What is diagnostic is that you question your gender, and have done so consistently for a long time.

The ratio of finger length is determined by testosterone levels in utero, or so I heard.

But there's a lot of stuff said about it that doesn't sound too plausible. Like it being an indicator of sexuality, or whether someone's at risk of prostate cancer, or schizophrenia... etc. etc.

I have the 'ring finger' considerably longer than the index. Which is supposed to be a typically male configuration:

If looking for scientific research on this, search for "2d:4d ratio".  It appears to be affected by androgen exposure and androgen receptor sensitivity by about the 13th week of fetal development.

In my case, the 2d:4d ratio is about 1.0, typical female, and other sexually dimorphic measurements on my extremities tend to the female side as well. I had DES (a strong estrogen compound) exposure at a very high level starting around 8-9 weeks into develpopment which I suspect may be related.



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AFAB here, my rings are longer than my indexes if laid on a flat surface, but not by much. Rings appear longer than indexes when hand is relaxed. I might have had T exposure in the womb due to mother having PCOS but probably only minimal.

Welcome to Susan's Place curioussam. As this is your thread and I try to play by the rules of the OP, my finger length are near equal. This matches with the knowledge that when I was in the early stages of self discover, a blood test found that my testosterone levels were lower male range. It appears I have always been androgen deficient and I was vey happy to get rid of what remained. My body has somewhat feminine features in that my hips are a bit on the wide size, my upper body strength has always been lacking and I was the last one to finish the one mile run in PE.

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My ring finger is shorter than my index finger on both hands.

My index finger is notably shorter than my ring finger. Maybe that's why I'm so alpha, bruh.

I was thinking about this recently, I remember doing this experiment in middle school sometime in the 1980's.

My index finger is shorter than my ring finger.

I can pick up the chair.

I think it has to do with where on their body people bend to reach.

Do you bend at the lower part of the pelvis or the top part? (Femur or Lumbar?)

Neat stuff.

I'll "play".  The 2 fingers on both my hands are of equal length.  I can easily lift the chair (since I was young)...due to a neck\spine injury it will be more difficult now.  Never had much upper body strength.  I was measured by my childhood doctor 30+ years ago and found that my "wingspan" is noticeably longer than my 6'3" height (I may be an albatross).  My arms are most comfortable (and naturally) at an angle when at my sides.

Well, not surprisingly my ratio falls firmly in the female camp, and my partner is the opposite; but then I do have hips that are basically as broad as my shoulders, female carry angles an arm span that's wider than I am tall, and feet that are disproportionately small for a man

I'm moderately confident that I wasn't directly exposed to DES, but pretty sure my mom was, and that screwed with my epigenetics. I suspect that there is familial Waardenberg, and I have ichthyosis (again suspect x linked). Yes, the proverbial mongrel, and few I ought to get checked out.

Sno

My ring fingers are about 3mm longer than the index fingers.  So they are pretty close.  My elbows do have a pronounced angle though.

When I was younger I was really bad in throwing balls, and in catching them too.  (Maybe I was just uncoordinated.) I made up for it by playing sports that did not involve balls, or in playing positions not involving throwing or catching.

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Hi Curioussam,

I am AMAB or MAAB, and I have body disphoria wanting to be female! My ring finger is a few millimetres longer than my index finger! At school and sport I was very good at all ball games including catching! Played high level tennis and golf to name a few!

Riki