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How much do you fear your voice will give you away

Started by stephaniec, January 09, 2017, 11:32:35 AM

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How much do you worry about your voice

constantly
16 (35.6%)
a little less than constantly
8 (17.8%)
not too much because of other ways ofpresentation
6 (13.3%)
nearly never
9 (20%)
I gave up caring
3 (6.7%)
other
3 (6.7%)

Total Members Voted: 45

KayXo

I have a perfectly passable voice, never get misgendered, even on the phone but despite being fulltime since 2005, those fears persist on a daily basis.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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big kim

I sound like Lemmy with a sore throat, gave up caring a long time ago
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KayXo

I admire you and wish I didn't care. Maybe one of these days...
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Tessa James

I won't feed my fears but I do acknowledge a personal conflict between an intense need for feeling authentic and being true to myself and what might make my presentation less discordant to the world at large.

I did voice lessons and began to resent the feeling that I was now trying so hard to fit into the stereotypical F box.  I learned once how trying to fit into the M box felt so awful and wrong.  Why did I want any box to define me?  Why worry about my truth being revealed or passing to please others?   My voice is strong and it remains a tool I use every day to tell my story and be clearly heard.

Defying the dominant paradigm feels better than feeling like I was faking it again.  Still, this is a personal statement and for those so inclined I salute their determined efforts to find their own voice.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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KayXo

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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LizK

Quote from: Tessa James on February 01, 2017, 04:16:58 PM
I won't feed my fears but I do acknowledge a personal conflict between an intense need for feeling authentic and being true to myself and what might make my presentation less discordant to the world at large.

I did voice lessons and began to resent the feeling that I was now trying so hard to fit into the stereotypical F box.  I learned once how trying to fit into the M box felt so awful and wrong.  Why did I want any box to define me?  Why worry about my truth being revealed or passing to please others?   My voice is strong and it remains a tool I use every day to tell my story and be clearly heard.

Defying the dominant paradigm feels better than feeling like I was faking it again.  Still, this is a personal statement and for those so inclined I salute their determined efforts to find their own voice.

Tessa

I have had so many conflicting thoughts about this exact thing lately. I feel like I am constantly saying "this is me take me as I am" and then thinking about changing something that is an intrinsic part of who I am. I don't know...I think there are several areas of my presentation that could "give me away" just as much as my voice will...but even then it is not just that...that feeling of faking it. I have a voice training program on my Ipad maybe I should be giving it a go...but then...Like I said conflicted

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Michelle_P

I KNOW it gives me away.  I had two recent incidents that pointed that out to me.

I did a presentation before a group a week ago.  One of the folks in the audience mentioned to a friend of mine that it seemed odd that the woman speaking had a man's voice.  Oops.  (It didn't help that the friend explained, "Oh, that's because Michelle used to be Michael."  Thanksabunch there, Larry.)

When I gave my little impromptu speech last Sunday in the congregational meeting, 170 people heard it.  Later, in town, one couple that was there, many rows away from me, spotted me.  The man said, "Hey, isn't that the guy...?"  Oops.  Fail again.

In both cases, I'n sure it was what they heard that triggered the 'man' identification.

Time to get speech therapy, I think.


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MissGendered

#27
Always such a personal topic, revealing vulnerabilities, strengths, commitment and/or obstinancy...

Some hold on to the first voice the learned with defiance, other reject the same with repugnance, some easily find a new voice, others struggle onward with no such luck, some choose surgical interventions, some tough it out through therapy and practice, and finally achieve that which sounds the way they feel they should sound...

I find the whole topic and all the variations of experience simply facscinating...

Why?

Well, funny you should ask, lol..

Because I have multiple personality disorder. And though I am recently recovered from many years of constant, florid dissociations, I, well, 'we', all have voices of our own. Man voices, woman voices, teen voices, girl voices, child voices, and 'my' voice, the default voice that my core personality, 'me', 'learned', just like everybody else here learned theirs...

When I first de-transitioned from my forced FTM state of being, I was actually experiencing my life vicariously, as a silent pseudo-alter, silent, as were all the adult alters, and the first best voices used after going full-time, were those of small girls, 7 years of age, and her twin, a 6 year old. And then, their 14 year old big sister started speaking. They passed flawlessly, because they ARE female. Weird how perfectly obvious one's gender is and how immediately convincing one is, when one knows their intrinsic experience as well as a personality knows itself.

My then current dominant alter was a thirty-something woman, and she also 'passed' without a problem. The dominant alter before her, she/he is an hermaphrodite. This alter struggled and was gendered male more often than female. Her/his self-concept betrayed a lack of 'full womanhood' and she/he was clockable.

All of my infant and child and teen alters up to 15 years old, were girls. None of them ever had a problem being misgendered as male, never, not once.

Buuuut, all alters between 15 until the hermaphrodite and the thirty-something later, were males. And if they spoke up, at first, they were instantly clocked as males, and the whole system 'took the hit', as they might say. So, the dominant alter mandated, no pun intended, that they remain silent until HRT changed our body and brain sufficiently to allow them to access female speech patterns and to relent male syntax. They remained silent, mostly, until just last summer, when, one by one, they re-emerged, as fully transitioned MTF personalities. Fun stuff, huh? They still had to 'work' to stay in the female range and to forego past speech habits, but they now felt that being female was real, and that doing the whole female voice thing was the right and proper thing to do. So, they did it. All 19 of them...

Jump to early last December, when I, the original core personality, began to stir down in the rabbit hole, and I began to realize that I wasn't just another alter, I was the owner of this body, and something horrid had disabled my ability to function. I had a severe seizure 7 years ago while down-titrating off an 8 mg a day prescription Xanax addiction. My central corridor went dark, and my others eventually rose up, and ran the whole show.

When I stirred, and found my way out, I awoke fully de-transitioned, with a woman's body, as in breasts, a vagina, and all the beauty I didn't ever expect to have...

But, I hadn't learned to speak as a woman. And I wasn't sure if I really even wanted to learn, I already had a voice I was fond of, so why should I?

Well, I learned right away why. Because my original voice was a man's voice. I was no longer a man. Everything was now female, and when I used my man voice, it was distressing to the people I loved. It was distressing to all my alters, who though were now quietly witnessing without interfering, I could feel their grief and dysphoria returning. And, when I looked in the mirror, and spoke as I had pre-de-transition, it was disturbing, even to me. And I realized, that if I did not stop, I was going to undermine the wonderful life that now spread out before me. So, I have been vigilant, and determined, and constant. My others have experience speaking sooo splendidly, and if I relax, and quiet my mind, I can 'remember' how they spoke, and use their voices as I am trying to find my own..

Confusing? Ha! Not really, not for me, but I bet it seems so from the outside, looking in...

It has been just a bit less than two months since I took back control of my executive functions, and I am learning every day. Learning about who I really am, what I really am, and how to go about being both...

So, to wrap up my little novel here, do I fear that my original voice will give me away?

Yes, I do. Perhaps when singing spontaneously, or when I stub a toe, or when I orgasm, or whenever. And, yes, it is a pain in the butt to stay on top of what comes out of my mouth, even though I 'know' exactly how to speak as a woman speaks. But I get lazy, or distracted, and I drop down toward my fundamental pitch, the one created by testosterone poisoning, not by nature, and I have to catch myself. And this is new, for me, weirdly, after almost four years of passing without a problem, suddenly, I am capable of blowing it, in a big way, at any time...

I will keep at it, and do the best I can, but I will have my vocal cords tightened someday, so I cannot make such an error with pitch, and I can relax a bit more. The other stuff, I know how to handle, but just like all the T damage done to my body, this too must be repaired. I must be heard as I truly am. I must make it so...

Missy

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KayXo

I wish there was a surgery (with very little risks associated with it) to modify resonance which I consider is key to sounding female. High pitch with a male resonance would sound weird...
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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MissGendered

Quote from: KayXo on February 01, 2017, 10:46:50 PM
I wish there was a surgery (with very little risks associated with it) to modify resonance which I consider is key to sounding female. High pitch with a male resonance would sound weird...

I feel the same way, but I also know that my female and child alters never sound even slightly male, and their apparent resonance matches their identities, thus proving to me that such things are far more variable, and ultimately controllable than mere physics might imply.

For me, I find it especially empowering to experience how much overlap there is in gender dynamics and personality constructs, and just how much potential lay within all of us to make sweeping changes once we know which buttons to push. As humans, my feeling is, that we impose the greatest limits of all on ourselves, and that nature herself is exceptionally plastic and malleable. Our allegiance to former self-concepts and our current time/space alliance dictate far more sweeping limitations upon our futures than our actual potential might allow.

Just my thoughts, coming from a multiple-personality intersexed perspective, after having experienced a three gendered life...

Missy

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Lunacorn

i dunno ... im sure the ladybeard gives it away yet i like keeping it really queer.  I'm not sure how much adjusting I will do to my voice cause its not super deep yet working on it
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